Will Pugh (Cartel) returns

For our second Four Chord Music Festival preview episode, we're delighted to welcome back Will Pugh to the podcast. Cartel's new album 'Learning How To Cope' has just landed, it's a fantastic listen! Will tells us all about how it came together, and how it feels to release an album for the first time in thirteen years! We discuss Will's love for Pittsburgh and do a deep dive into the Four Chord Music Festival and what it means to the scene. The Wasting Time Podcast is sponsored by Local Menace Apparel. Head to their store and use the code 'wastetime' for 25% discount. The Wasting Time Podcast is part of The Never A Phase Network.