
Nobody knows what they're doing. Not you, not your heroes, not the guy selling you the answer.This is a conversation, not an interview. No agenda, no promotion, no guest hitting the same talking points they hit on the last five podcasts. Michael Blevins sits down with Josh Tyler and follows the thread wherever it goes: why every business is selling the feeling of certainty, why you crave a Porsche you don't actually want, why relationships are transactional whether you do the math or not, and what a snow leopard in a dream has to do with any of it.It ends with a fox, a baby deer, and the hardest thing most people never do: cry out for help.What this conversation covers:The difference between childhood and adulthood is one illusionBusiness as the commodification of certaintyThe striver trap — chasing symbols of safety instead of safetyWhy you can't pay someone to careTransactional relationships and the myth of unconditional loveReincarnation, non-duality, and whether this is already hellThe OLLIN origin story — told for the first timeA snow leopard dream, interpreted liveThe mushroom trip that went wrong on a mountainSocial media: an unpaid reality showThe baby deer, the fox, and asking for helpCHAPTERS 0:00 — Pretend business owners: nobody knows what they're doing 1:48 — The only difference between childhood and adulthood 2:26 — The forbidden fruit: knowledge isn't bad, it's heavy 3:30 — Every business sells the feeling of certainty (the Tesla problem) 6:13 — The fighter pilot who didn't want the dream job 7:29 — The striver trap 9:39 — Watches, the Porsche GT3 RS, and symbols of having made it 11:30 — Symbols vs. the genuine article: the process is the thing 14:00 — Everyone lives in a fantasy world. The question is whether others can join 18:00 — "Less than one in a thousand people I actually like" 20:41 — Relationships are transactional. We just don't want to do the math 22:32 — Bandwidth, unconditional love, and Cersei Lannister 28:11 — The biggest metaphysical shift in ten years 31:54 — The wave and the ocean 33:10 — Reincarnation cycles: is this already hell? 39:04 — Rolling with a 350-pound black belt (a metaphor for right now) 40:06 — The rebrand confession 41:29 — The OLLIN origin story: movement, transformation, and the collective voice 53:39 — Digging out a hole you already dug 55:30 — The snow leopard dream 58:34 — Interpreting the dream live 1:03:53 — "I guess I have to get a snow leopard tattoo on my throat" 1:05:45 — Lost on a mountain: the mushroom trip that went black 1:09:28 — Social media is an unpaid reality show 1:10:34 — Content about making content: the Ponzi scheme 1:12:45 — The baby deer and the fox 1:18:14 — Ayahuasca and the moment everything changed: asking for help 1:21:04 — "I'm nature, bitch" — answering the critics 1:25:07 — Next time: the AI conversationLinks Train with OLLIN: www.weareollin.com Instagram: @gritandteeth Josh Tyler: www.cinderandsinew.com
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