Paul Noonan & Brian Crosby: From Bell X1 to Pilgrims, Music Therapy & Breathwork

Paul Noonan and Brian Crosby have been making music together, in one form or another, for decades.From Juniper and Bell X1, through 16 years of separate creative journeys, they eventually found their way back into a room together. What started with Brian’s solo piano record Imbrium and a voice note from Paul during COVID became Pilgrims — a new project built from everything they had learned and experienced in the years apart.In this conversation, we talk about what it means to return to a creative partnership after so much time, the vulnerability of making something new with someone you have a long history with, and how Pilgrims grew from remote recordings into a live project.We also get into the very different paths they took along the way. Brian talks about leaving Bell X1, moving to Berlin, composing for film, building recording studios from scratch, and training in holotropic breathwork. Paul talks about his work as a music therapist, working with people with dementia, brain injuries and children, and what music can make possible in those settings.And underneath all of it is a bigger question about creativity: what happens when we stop trying to be perfect, become willing to be vulnerable, and allow other people to change what we're making?This is a conversation about music, collaboration, fear, connection, and finding your way back to making things.Support the podcast on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/cw/HarrisonGardnerConnect with Harrison:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_harrisongardnerWebsite: https://www.harrisongardner.net/Books: https://www.harrisongardner.net/bookstore-1Pre-order my new book HEAT-SHELTER-WATER-FOODhttps://www.harrisongardner.net/heat-shelter-water-foodExplore Pilgrims and their music:https://www.pilgrims.music/ Chapters00:00 – Teaser 00:51 – Intro: Creating Something People Are Ready to Receive 03:50 – From Bell X1 to Pilgrims 05:42 – The Voice Note That Sparked Pilgrims 07:31 – Finding a New Musical Voice 08:17 – Two Very Different Journeys 09:17 – Why Brian Left Bell X1 16:40 – Building a Creative Scene in Berlin 19:28 – What Is Holotropic Breathwork? 23:45 – Fear, Self-Doubt & Creativity 30:55 – Paul Noonan on Music Therapy 32:00 – Music & Brain Injury 32:45 – Creating a Safe Space 34:20 – From Performer to Facilitator 40:55 – Building the Wicklow Studio 45:00 – Why Small Venues Matter 52:34 – What's Next for Pilgrims? 55:37 – Outro Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.