The Seed: Conversations for Radical Hope

Love as a Transgressive Power: A Conversation with Zae Illo and Lisa Graustein

December 19, 2025·37 min
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How do we move beyond the "gatekeeping" of our institutions to practice a love that is truly transformative? In this soul-stirring conversation, host Dwight Dunston is joined by Zae Illo and Lisa Graustein to explore the intersection of spiritual practice and radical justice. Together, they challenge us to look beyond "market logic" and historical comfort to find a faith that meets people exactly where they are—on the streets, in the struggle, and in the heart. The episode grounds itself in t...

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