The Peterman Pod

Turing Award Winner: NSA, Public Key Cryptography, Crypto Wars | Martin Hellman

July 6, 2026·1h 1m
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Martin Hellman is a Turing Award winner who helped to invent public-key cryptography against the NSA's wishes. I interviewed him all about his work and why it broke the law at the time.• My ergonomic keyboard project I mentioned, you can follow along here: https://read.compose.llc/• The Kickstarter page for it: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ryanlpeterman/compose-simple-ergonomics-beautifully-donePodcast links:• YouTube: https://youtu.be/AZLOETBCQM4• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-peterman-pod/id1777363835• Transcript: https://www.developing.dev/p/turing-award-winner-nsa-public-keyThank you to this episode's sponsor for supporting my work:• WorkOS: makes your app Enterprise Ready with easy to use APIs to add SSO, SCIM, RBAC, and more in just a few lines of code, check them out at https://workos.com/Timestamps:(00:00) Intro(00:34) Why his work broke the law(08:39) How people did encryption before(18:51) The crypto wars(26:22) The story behind Diffie Hellman key exchange(36:48) Signatures vs key exchange(43:05) RSA patent wars(48:08) Why inventions happen at similar times(50:29) What he worked on after cryptography(57:31) His thoughts on death(59:40) Advice for his younger self(01:00:45) OutroWhere to find Martin:• Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Hellman• Website: https://ee.stanford.edu/~hellman/Where to find Ryan:• Newsletter: https://www.developing.dev/• X/Twitter: https://x.com/ryanlpeterman• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanlpeterman/• Threads: https://www.threads.com/@ryanlpeterman• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ryanlpeterman• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ryanlpetermanReferenced in this episode:• Martin Hellman's “The Evolution of Public Key Cryptography”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tev3tVzH91s• Keys Under Doormats: https://cacm.acm.org/opinion/keys-under-doormats/• Cryptography's Role in Securing the Information Society (CRISIS report): https://nap.nationalacademies.org/catalog/5131/cryptographys-role-in-securing-the-information-society• Secure Communications Over Insecure Channels: https://doi.org/10.1145/359460.359473• New Directions in Cryptography: https://doi.org/10.1109/TIT.1976.1055638

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