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by Michaela Anne, Aaron Shafer-Haiss
"Artistry flourishes in shared conversation." Everyone struggles with self-doubt and motivation in their careers. The Other 22 Hours Podcast features conversations with renowned musicians and artists, sharing tools for resilience, helping you feel more inspired, connected, and confident in your creative journey. Hosted by music producer Aaron Shafer-Haiss and singer-songwriter Michaela Anne, these are artist-led conversations—not your typical outsider journalist interviews.
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- 6 days ago55 min
Heather Mae on social justice songwriting, the hedonic treadmill, and hearing god during a massage.
We often look at an artist's career through the lens of industry accolades: the tours, the streaming numbers, the awards. But what happens when you intentionally dismantle your creative ego to build something focused entirely on collective liberation? Heather Mae is an award-winning independent artist, the founder of Singing Resistance Nashville, and a prominent voice in organized musical activism. Following a viral arrest at the Tennessee Capitol while protesting anti-trans legislation, Heather sits down with us to discuss the profound impacts of communal singing, navigating trauma as a neurodivergent and queer creator, and how to balance radical empathy without completely burning out. It’s an expansive, deeply human conversation about moving past the modern traps of artistic productivity to discover what it truly means to be of service.
- 1 weeks ago42 min
Matraca Berg on the Nashville Hit Machine, streaming economics, and getting busted by bro country.
We often treat commercial success as the final destination of a creative life, but for legendary songwriter Matraca Berg, it was just the first act. She was the first woman to have five different country number-ones in a single year, and her songs have been recorded by everyone from Linda Ronstadt, Trisha Yearwood and Deana Carter, to The Chicks, Chris Stapleton, and Reba McEntire. Matraca’s catalog defines generations of American songwriting. We sit down the the GRAMMY-nominated member of the Songwriting Hall of Fame to explore the realities of achieving massive success while battling paralyzing stage fright, the transition from the multi-platinum physical sales era of the 1990s to modern streaming, and how she keeps her creative tank full as the industry has changed around her. In a culture obsessed with youth and immediate output, Matraca offers a grounded, reassuring perspective on aging within an art form, artistic alignment, and learning to trust.
- 2 weeks ago48 min
Rob Moose on the feast-or-famine mindset, songs as love letters, and remaining child-like.
Behind nearly every influential indie rock and pop record of the last fifteen years is the brilliant mind and hand of string arranger, and multi-instrumentalist Rob Moose. The three time GRAMMY winner has contributed to thousands of records from the likes of Paul Simon, Taylor Swift, Phoebe Bridgers, Bon Iver, St Vincent, Bruce Hornsby and Mumford and Sons. In this calming, deeply reflective conversation, Rob opens up about "peaking" in the live touring industry, the transition to a studio-centric life, and how fatherhood has introduced a powerful focus into his creative process. It is an exploration of legacy, creative boundaries, and why sustaining a 20-year career ultimately comes down to treating music not as an athletic feat, but as a deeply human relationship.
- 3 weeks ago52 min
Michaela Anne + Aaron Shafer-Haiss on intuition vs assumption, creative ownership, and vulnerability as a faucet.
To celebrate our 150th episode, we try a bit of an experiment: interviewing ourselves, for the first time. After nearly two decades of partnership, we examine the evolution of the creative self. Michaela Anne, whose fifth record These Are The Days marks the first record that she retains total ownership of in over a decade, discusses the "massive shift of self" required to walk away from industry gatekeepers. Aaron Shafer-Haiss, whose compositions have scored major network dramas like Station 19 and The Good Doctor, reflects on the "utilitarian creativity" of a producer. It is a conversation about resilience, the "growth seesaw" of a creative marriage, and the realization that the dream is already happening.
- May 13, 202646 min
Molly Tuttle on genre fluidity, artistic anxiety, and micro-managing travel routing.
Molly Tuttle has shared stages with Ringo Starr and Billy Strings, yet she still grapples with the unpredictable "ups and downs" of a musician's schedule, and the inherent instability of the road. We talk with the GRAMMY-winning artist, and first woman to win IBMA Guitarist of the Year, about the "baggage" of turning a passion into a profession. We explore the necessity of trusting one's gut over industry expectations, how she navigates the transition from bluegrass traditionalism to rock-leaning solo projects, and the quiet power of a partner who understands the nuance of tour routing.
- May 6, 202641 min
Asleep at the Wheel on artistic identity, the vow of poverty, and why the geographic imperative is BS.
Ray Benson is an absolute pillar of American music, a nine-time Grammy winner whose band, Asleep at the Wheel, has defined western swing for over half a century. In this conversation, we talk with Ray about the "geographical imperative," rebuilding his career from a broke-down bus to a musical institution, and the delicate balance between the craft of music and the business of image. This is an exploration of longevity, team building, and the importance of finding a "moral compass" in leadership.
- Apr 29, 202644 min
Nitty Gritty Dirt Band (Jeff Hanna) on a 60-year touring career, records with hair on them, and the joy in folding laundry.
As a founding member of the legendary Nitty Gritty Dirt Band and a three-time Grammy winner, Jeff Hanna has navigated nearly sixty years in the industry, which also includes credits with the likes of Linda Ronstadt, Emmylou Harris, Johnny Cash, and many others. In this conversation we explore the geography of inspiration, from the 1970s Troubadour scene to his forty-year anchor in Nashville’s songwriting community. Jeff reflects on the economy of a perfect line, the creative vitality of a "hard reset," and why the bedrock of the work has to begin with the simple intention of having fun.
- Apr 22, 202652 min
Writing for the soul vs. writing for the brief, from writers to editors.
As the architect behind Rolling Stone Country and the host of the Nashville Now podcast, Joe Hudak has spent decades at the center of the industry. Along with Alison Abbey Hudak, a veteran editor who has shaped the narrative of Nashville’s elite lifestyle media, they offer a wealth of experience in creative survival. This conversation dives into the "show business" of art , the moral weight of elevating artists who mismanage their influence, and the courage required to admit when a prestigious career has stifled your creative brain.
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