The Modern People Leader: Forward-Thinking HR

331 - Designing the org of the future: Alexis Fink (Advisor at OpenAI & Workvivo)

September 18, 2026·1h 3m
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Alexis Fink joined us on The Modern People Leader. We talked about how AI is changing work, why org design needs to move beyond boxes and lines, and how curiosity, influence, courage, and better systems thinking can help people leaders design for the future.----  Sponsor Links:🔗 Schedule a consultation with Manifest🔗 Learn more about Tilt at hellotilt.com/mpl🔗 Learn more about SixFiftyMPL Links:🔗Go sign up for MPL Build.----  (14:10) The One-Way Door of AI and Work(17:15) Why AI Transformation Will Take Longer Than 18 Months(19:05) What Org Design Means in the AI Era(20:30) Work Organization, Decision Rights and the Role of Machines(22:15) Why the Org Chart Is the Wrong Question(23:05) Inverted Pyramids, Hourglass Models and Different Assumptions About Talent(25:00) The IKEA Example: Turning Automation Into New Human Work(28:05) Why AI Should Free Capacity, Not Just Eliminate Jobs(31:40) How to Reframe the Headcount Reduction Conversation(33:25) Breaking Through Constraints, Vendor Issues and Learned Helplessness(36:45) Budget Constraints and the Problem With Legacy Decision Rights(40:20) Lessons From Past Transformations at Microsoft(43:00) Creating a Hard Gate for Vice President Promotions(44:10) Creating a Real Individual Contributor Career Path(47:30) What Has Changed About Change Management(49:05) Multiple Layers of Change and the Need for a Clear North Star(50:25) Avoiding Shiny Object Syndrome and Finishing the Last Mile(53:10) The Difference Between Influence and Convincing(55:45) Creating Gravitational Pull Instead of Pushing---- 📬 Subscribe to our weekly newsletter to get episode recaps💡 Follow The Modern People Leader on LinkedIn😊 Follow Daniel Huerta on LinkedIn😊 Follow Stephen Huerta on LinkedIn---- Past guests on MPL include Brené Brown, Annie Dean (VP of Team Anywhere, Atlassian), Josh Bersin, Katie Burke (Chief People Officer, Harvey), Liz Fosslien, Helen Russell (Chief People Officer, HubSpot), Dave Scott (Chief People Officer, ADT), Melanie Rossenwasser (Chief People Officer, Dropbox), Crystal Boysen (Chief People Officer, Sprout Social), and many more.

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