
Chris Whalen returns after the FOMC's 25-basis-point hike and calls it what he wrote in his notes: lame. His argument is that the Fed has become the tail and the Treasury the dog — with a $2 trillion deficit running above 6% of GDP, monetary policy is close to irrelevant, and Kevin Warsh will eventually be forced back into QE and debt monetization whether he wants it or not. That leaves Congress, which Whalen says has stopped doing the one job only it can do, prompting a provocative exchange with Julia about whether a fiscal crisis ends with a manager running the purse the way FDR ran 1933. From there the conversation turns to where the damage shows up: housing, where more than half of American homes fell in price over the past year and Whalen expects a real correction into 2028; private credit and insurance, where he agrees with Jeffrey Gundlach that private credit is the fuse and the insurers are the bomb, and warns annuity holders at the wrong carriers may not be made whole; and energy, where the Houthis' grip on the Red Sea may force the refining industry to redeploy away from the Persian Gulf entirely. He also walks through his own portfolio — Schwab, Flagstar, Annaly, AGNC, and steady additions to gold and silver — explains why he holds no T-bills, and gives his take on the SEC's innovation exemption, calling crypto tokens a polite form of fraud better regulated by state gaming commissions.Thank you to our sponsor, Monetary Metals. Learn more at https://www.monetary-metals.com/THEWRAP/Links: The Institutional Risk Analyst: https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/ Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/rcwhalen Seeing Around Corners book: https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/product-page/seeing-around-corners-achieving-success-in-business-and-life-hardcoverUse the code TheWrap2026 for 25% off your first year of The Institutional Risk Analyst https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/plans-pricingTimestamps:0:00 – Welcome back1:03 – "The Fed had to do something or be irrelevant"5:38 – Is the FOMC even relevant anymore?5:57 – Treasury is the dog, the Fed is the tail6:20 – The Fed will be forced to monetize the debt6:48 – A dysfunctional Congress 9:39 – The age of uncertainty10:00 – Half of American homes fell in price this year11:12 – Misery on the Eights: the correction into 202811:24 – Gundlach: private credit is the fuse, insurance is the bomb11:50 – How PE used insurers to compound too fast13:28 – Why annuity holders are calling14:02 – Duration matching and the part of the industry that works15:28 – Energy16:03 – Trump, the war he started, and no leadership17:15 – Echoes of the 1970s — and Europe's winter18:41 – Bank stocks are dead; deposit costs are rising again20:34 – The AI trade 21:28 – Where do you put money with no clear narrative?21:48 – Gold doesn't trade like a stock22:20 – Chris on his own portfolio23:06 – Schwab, Bank of America, and the low-hanging fruit nobody picks24:52 – Crypto: the SEC's innovation exemption after Clarity failed27:03 – Can Congress legislate at all after the midterms?28:18 – Viewer Q: Does flattening change the Annaly call?29:33 – Why Chris owns no T-bills30:26 – What he's watching the rest of the year31:37 – Close
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