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- Today38 min
S3E7: Adoptee Voices with Anna Bryant
Society embraces the narrative that adoption is simple, but the truth is much more complex. By centering adoptee voices, we can speak more truthfully about the adoption experience.Anna Bryant’s journey into her Black identity, her reunion with family of orgin, and her search for belonging reveal the fuller side of adoption. In this episode, you’ll discover how societal narratives around adoption erase the true depth of adoptees’ experiences, and the importance of embracing both love and loss in the process of healing. Anna shares the emotional rollercoaster of reconnecting with her family of orgin as an adult, revealing how those reunions—sometimes overwhelming, sometimes healing—add new layers to her story. Anna breaks down the impact of cultural disconnection and how the adoptee community offers vital support for navigating those complex feelings.You’ll learn about the significance of Atlanta as a cultural mecca, how social media is transforming the conversation around adoption, and why hearing adoptee stories is crucial for both prospective parents and adoptees. Anna emphasizes the importance of acknowledging trauma, honoring heritage, and building relationships that honor a child's full identity.This episode is perfect for adoptees searching for their roots, parents considering transracial adoption, or anyone interested in the reality behind one of society’s narratives. ABOUT ANNA BRYANTAnna Bryant is a transracial adoptee from Iowa. She grew up in a multiracial household with White parents and international adoptee sisters from South Korea. She has been in reunion with her family of origin for 8 years which has brought both joys and heartbreaks. She is currently working on her memoir Cultural Fraud which explores her reunion journey and her search for Black identity. She currently resides in the Black Mecca of Atlanta with her husband and loves to travel, spend time with friends, and occasionally review new snacks.Follow Anna on Instagram: @annab_livingABOUT THE HAPPILY NEVER AFTERThe Happily Never After is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide opportunities to heal and grow, and sometimes, they even set us free. Endings can offer an opportunity to begin anew, in a better way, and that’s what we’re here to talk about.New episodes every Tuesday.Follow @thatheathermcg on IG for related content and discussion.Read The Happily Never After on Substack at https://thehappilyneverafter.substack.com/Learn more about Heather McG at www.heathermcg.com
- 1 weeks ago1h 17m
S3E6: Grace in the Face of ALS with Phillip Klapperich
In this episode of The Happily Never After, host Heather McG is talking with Phillip Klapperich, a writer and friend who was diagnosed with ALS about a year ago. Phillip shares how his diagnosis has connected the dots of his life, leading to epiphanies of presence, love, gratitude, and ultimately, grace. This is a compelling conversation with deeply meaningful takeaways for any listener.ABOUT PHILLIP KLAPPERICHPhillip Klapperich has worn many hats throughout his life. He is a playwright, who has in contrast also acted as a tour guide and HVAC controls administrator. He's gotten very drunk with a Russian air force colonel, been dressed down by Sheryl Crow in a lilith fair press conference, and gotten cursed in a market in Cairo. Phillip has never been one to pass up an adventure.Learn and read more from Phillip at www.rocketcorps.comABOUT THE HAPPILY NEVER AFTERThe Happily Never After is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide opportunities to heal and grow, and sometimes, they even set us free. Endings can offer an opportunity to begin anew, in a better way, and that’s what we’re here to talk about.New episodes every Tuesday.Follow @thatheathermcg on IG for related content and discussion.Read The Happily Never After on Substack at https://thehappilyneverafter.substack.com/Learn more about Heather McG at www.heathermcg.com
- 2 weeks ago52 min
S3E5: The Well-Trained Wife with Tia Levings
Tia Levings is talking to The Happily Never After about her escape from Christian fundamentalism, domestic abuse, and her journey to healing. She is the New York Times bestselling author of The Well-Trained Wife. Her new book I Belong to Me offers a first-hand account of overcoming deep indoctrination, psychological abuse, and building a new, authentic life.Tia talks about the links between her experiences and Christian nationalism, political power, and the fight to strip away women’s rights, all rooted in a strategic effort to uphold particular visions of control and dominance.You'll hear key insights on:The spiritual practices and pressure tactics that keep women obedient and unheardThe high-control religious practices that silence questions about health, safety, and bodily autonomyHow the “Quiverfull” movement aims to swell the ranks of white Christian supremacyThe not-so-subtle ways legal and societal restrictions are aligned with religious agendas, threatening women’s freedomThe healing journey from religious trauma to sovereignty, empowering survivors to break free and rebuild their livesTia's work sheds light on the intersection of faith, trauma, and political power, sharing her journey in an effort to empower others. ABOUT TIA LEVINGSTia Levings is the New York Times Bestselling author of A Well-Trained Wife, her memoir of escape from Christian Patriarchy. She writes about the realities of religious trauma, evangelical patriarchy, and the trad wife life, decoding the fundamentalist influences in our news and culture. Her work and quotes have appeared in Teen Vogue, Salon, Newsweek, and The Huffington Post. She also appeared in the hit Amazon docu-series, Shiny Happy People. Based in Raleigh, North Carolina, she is mom to four incredible adults and likes to travel, hike, paint, and daydream. Find her on social media @TiaLevingsWriter. Her second book, I Belong to Me, releases May 5, 2026.ABOUT THE HAPPILY NEVER AFTERThe Happily Never After is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide opportunities to heal and grow, and sometimes, they even set us free. Endings can offer an opportunity to begin anew, in a better way, and that’s what we’re here to talk about.New episodes every Tuesday.Follow @thatheathermcg on IG for related content and discussion.Read The Happily Never After on Substack at https://thehappilyneverafter.substack.com/Learn more about Heather McG at www.heathermcg.com
- 3 weeks ago50 min
S3E4: No More Mediocre Relationships with Laura Danger
Laura Danger, a licensed educator and domestic equity advocate, shares her personal and professional insights into the hidden traps of the toxic American dream. Laura’s powerful book, No More Mediocre, unveils how societal norms keep us stuck and offers a radical re-imagining of relationships and personal fulfillment. She explores how stress, gendered expectations, and societal myths have created a cycle of burnout and resentment—especially for women locked into the “nag paradox” and the “sitcom syndrome.” Laura breaks down:The “nag paradox”: a cycle that erodes relationships through endless demands and emotional laborThe trouble with the “sitcom stereotype”: how media narratives distort perceptions of gender roles and emotional laborActionable steps to re-imagine partnershipThe expanding possibilities for love and connection outside traditional models, including co-parenting and chosen familiesABOUT LAURA DANGERLaura Danger is a licensed educator, author, and domestic-equity advocate known on Instagram and TikTok as @thatdarnchat. Her book, No More Mediocre: A Call to Reimagine Our Relationships and Demand More, combines candid interviews, personal stories, and research to expose how unpaid domestic labor and dynamics like “weaponized incompetence” and “the nag paradox” shape inequity in relationships.ABOUT THE HAPPILY NEVER AFTERThe Happily Never After is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide opportunities to heal and grow, and sometimes, they even set us free. Endings can offer an opportunity to begin anew, in a better way, and that’s what we’re here to talk about.New episodes every Tuesday.Follow @thatheathermcg on IG for related content and discussion.Read The Happily Never After on Substack at https://thehappilyneverafter.substack.com/Learn more about Heather McG at www.heathermcg.com
- 4 weeks ago40 min
S3E3: Infertile Black Girl with L'Oreal Thompson Payton
Author, journalist, and small business owner L’Oreal Thompson-Payton visits The Happily Never After to talk about her experience with infertility. L'Oreal pulls back the curtain on excruciating fibroid battles, heartbreaking IVF disappointments, and her battle with post-partum depression. She talks about writing her upcoming memoir, Infertile Black Girl, to be released in 2027.L'Oreal shares how systemic racism, health disparities, and cultural stigma compound the pain, leaving many feeling isolated and unseen. She also talks about the pressure on Black women and girls to be “twice as good,” and how embracing rest can change everything. ABOUT L'OREAL THOMPSON PAYTONL’Oreal Thompson Payton is an award-winning journalist, author, speaker, and founder of Zora’s Place, a Black feminist bookstore and community hub in Evanston, Illinois. She is the author of Stop Waiting for Perfect, Amanda Gorman: Poet and Activist, Violet Goes Voting (September 2026) and the highly-anticipated memoir Infertile Black Girl (Spring 2027). Her byline has appeared in outlets such as Essence, Fortune, New York magazine and SELF. Her work centers Black women and girls, mental health, and the power of storytelling. She lives in Evanston with her husband and daughter. Learn more at lorealthompsonpayton.comFollow L'Oreal at @ltinthecity on all social platformsABOUT THE HAPPILY NEVER AFTERThe Happily Never After is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide opportunities to heal and grow, and sometimes, they even set us free. Endings can offer an opportunity to begin anew, in a better way, and that’s what we’re here to talk about.New episodes every Tuesday.Follow @thatheathermcg on IG for related content and discussion.Read The Happily Never After on Substack at https://thehappilyneverafter.substack.com/Learn more about Heather McG at www.heathermcg.com
- Apr 14, 202644 min
S3E2 All About Abortion with Esther Kim Varet
In this raw episode of The Happily Never After, Esther Kim Varet, a congressional candidate and granddaughter of North Korean refugees, shares her personal abortion stories, revealing the complexities of reproductive choices and the fight for women’s autonomy in America.In this episode, Esther discusses her abortions at ages 21 and 41, highlighting the social and political forces that challenge progress. She talks about the impact of religious ideologies on government policy, and the not-so-secret reasons behine these ideologies. Esther debunks abortion myths and explains how restrictive laws endanger lives.We explore the effects of laws limiting reproductive rights, from child-rearing costs to societal patriarchy. Esther connects historical lessons to today's political landscape, emphasizing the need for vigilance. She advocates for separating religious beliefs from policy, asserting that bodily autonomy is foundational to American ideals.This conversation is about democracy, personal freedom, and gender equality. Esther’s insights remind us that our choices define the future.ABOUT ESTHER KIM VARETEsther Kim Varett is an entrepreneur who is running as a Democrat to represent California’s 40th congressional district. She is the founder and owner of the highly reviewed art gallery Various Little Fires. Esther holds degrees from both Yale and Columbia, and she is the granddaughter of immigrants who escaped North Korea on foot. Connect with Esther's campaign at estherkimvaret.comFollow Esther on Instagram or TikTok at @estherforcongressABOUT THE HAPPILY NEVER AFTERThe Happily Never After is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide opportunities to heal and grow, and sometimes, they even set us free. Endings can offer an opportunity to begin anew, in a better way, and that’s what we’re here to talk about.New episodes every Tuesday.Follow @thatheathermcg on IG for related content and discussion.Read The Happily Never After on Substack at https://thehappilyneverafter.substack.com/Learn more about Heather McG at www.heathermcg.com
- Apr 7, 202657 min
S3E1: Shed Your Shame with Dr. Naomi Bernstein
In this episode, Dr. Naomi Bernstein explores how hidden shame can sabotage relationships and peace of mind. She reveals how understanding the two core types of shame—what's happened to you versus what you've done—can empower healing and authentic connection. She provides frameworks, mindsets, and practical trauma healing techniques to help listeners understand and confront all the ways shame shows up in our lives. Dr. Bernstein shares how gradual vulnerability and community support can liberate you from shame's grip. She explains the role of the nervous system in perpetuating shame and why owning your story is key to freedom. This episode offers a compassionate blueprint for reclaiming power, fostering self-awareness, and building stronger relationships. Tune in for transformative insights on healing, connection, and self-acceptance.ABOUT DR. NAOMI BERNSTEINDr. Naomi Bernstein is a clinical psychologist with 19 years of experience specializing in somatic mindfulness with individuals and couples navigating relationship challenges. She is also the co-host of popular podcast Oversharing. Dr. Naomi helps us understand how our nervous system drives conflict, disconnection, and reactivity—and why real change begins from the inside out. In her therapy groups, she brings together people facing different life struggles to challenge the familiar belief, “I’ll be happy when…” and to build perspective through shared experience. At the heart of her work is the belief that we heal in connection—because feeling supported and accepted can calm the nervous system and create the kind of resilience and peace that lasts.Connect with Dr. Bernstein at Naomibernstein.comListen to Dr. Bernstein on the Oversharing podcastABOUT THE HAPPILY NEVER AFTERThe Happily Never After is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide opportunities to heal and grow, and sometimes, they even set us free. Endings can offer an opportunity to begin anew, in a better way, and that’s what we’re here to talk about.New episodes every Tuesday.Follow @thatheathermcg on IG for related content and discussion.Read The Happily Never After on Substack at https://thehappilyneverafter.substack.com/Learn more about Heather McG at www.heathermcg.com
- Jan 26, 202616 min
The Messy Middle: How to help a friend who is getting a divorce
The Messy Middle features casually unhinged bonus episodes while The Happily Never After is between seasons. Short and sweet, they get right to the point. Today we're talking about how you can be a good friend to someone in your life who is in trenches of the divorce process.
About The Happily Never After
"The Happily Never After" is a podcast that features stories of big endings that led to personal breakthroughs. While endings can hurt, they also provide closure, provide opportunities to grow, and sometimes, they can even set us free. One thing we know for sure: if life is full of endings, it’s full of new beginnings too, and that’s what we’re here to talk about (alongside a good dose of humor too!) Welcome to "The Happily Never After", where sometimes the end is just the beginning. Learn more at https://heathermcg.com/
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