“Solidarity Has To Have Teeth”: Palestine, Abolition, and Building Struggle Across Borders — with Noura & F12

In this episode of The Dugout, we sit down with organizers Noura and F12 for a conversation about Palestine, abolition, Afropessimism, international solidarity, and what it actually takes to sustain struggle.What does it mean to travel to Palestine without romanticizing struggle? What is “protective presence,” and what can international organizers actually offer communities living under occupation? How does the occupation control not only land and movement, but people's relationship to time, planning, and the future itself?--------------------------------------About the GuestsNoura is an Oakland-based Palestinian American organizer. The daughter of refugees from the 1967 War, she has spent over two decades in international solidarity and non-violent direct action. She spent years organizing with the Stop Urban Shield Coalition to successfully dismantle militarized police expos in California.Noura Instagram: @bint_fulusteenFaz3a Pal Instagram: @faz3a_palF12 is a Sacramento-based Black radical organizer, writer, and abolitionist. After spending 14 years incarcerated, they expanded their work into internationalist solidarity, engaging in hands-on protective presence work in the West Bank, and much more.F12 Substack: https://substack.com/@toussaintf12F12 Instagram: @toussaintf12--------------------------------------------BOOKS & MEDIA MENTIONEDGeorge Jackson — Blood in My EyeAnarcho-BlacknessStolen Youth: The Politics of Israel’s Detention of Palestinian ChildrenThe Life and Work of George Jackson — Anasi’s Library documentary--------------------------------------------0:00 — Intro: What does solidarity actually demand of us in moments of crisis?2:37 — Introductions: Nora and F123:04 — "What was young you like?"11:39 — Follow-up: Was your depoliticization tied to familial trauma and survival/assimilation?17:24 — What brought you into a deeper, lifelong organizing practice?26:47 — How did you each first start getting involved with the Palestinian liberation movement?43:52 — Can you talk about how the opportunity to go to Palestine came about, and what that material work looked like?56:28 — What sort of traps do activists get caught in when thinking about traveling for solidarity work?1:01:18 — Reflection: local privilege in solidarity movements and the "romanticism" of solidarity1:06:40 — What's it like to travel as a decolonial organizer engaged in a cause so heavily based in land struggles, and how does that translate to organizing on Turtle Island?1:14:28 — What does actionable decolonization look like, and why do people romanticize other struggles but not see their own lives as part of it?1:25:26 — What alternative systems or decolonial economic practices have you seen in Palestine?1:29:58 — How does anti-Blackness show up in movement spaces, and how do we build past aesthetic radicalism?1:37:42 — What does state repression look like, and what does care work for each other look like?1:37:58 — "How are you staying sane?"---------------------------------------------