The Data Exchange with Ben Lorica

From Web Video to Real-World Robots

April 23, 2026·31 min
Episode Description from the Publisher

Ben Lorica speaks with Changan Chen, co-founder and Chief Research Officer at Rhoda AI, about what it takes to build foundation models for robots that can operate in the real world. Subscribe to the Gradient Flow Newsletter 📩 https://gradientflow.substack.com/ Subscribe: Apple · Spotify · Overcast · Pocket Casts · AntennaPod · Podcast Addict · Amazon · RSS. Detailed show notes - with links to many references - can be found on The Data Exchange web site.

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