The Creative Penn Podcast For Writers

Don’t Call It Art: Rediscovering Creative Joy With Austin Kleon

June 8, 2026·1h 10m
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Have you ever lost the joy in your creative work — that sense of fun you had when you were starting out, before the admin and the algorithms drained it away? How do mid-career creatives get it back, and what can a four-year-old teach us about play? Austin Kleon talks about productive procrastination, silly rituals, the case for paper reference books in an AI world, and how his newsletter went from a marketing cost to the day job that keeps the lights on. In the intro, Does social media still sell books? [Self-Publishing with ALLi]; Trial by algorithm [The Bookseller]; Publishing’s AI Hypocrisy Problem [The New Publishing Standard]; ALLi AI survey for authors; Brave New Bookshelf Podcast, and Pics from signing at BookVault. Today's show is sponsored by ProWritingAid, writing and editing software that goes way beyond just grammar and typo checking. With its detailed reports on how to improve your writing and integration with writing software, ProWritingAid will help you improve your book&nbsp;before&nbsp;you send it to an editor, agent or publisher. Check it out for free or get 15% off the premium edition at&nbsp;www.ProWritingAid.com/joanna This show is also supported by my Patrons. Join my Community at&nbsp;Patreon.com/thecreativepenn&nbsp; Austin Kleon is the New York Times and international bestselling author of nonfiction books, including Steal Like an Artist, Show Your Work!, and Keep Going, as well as an artist, professional speaker, and poet. His latest book is Don't Call It Art: 10 Ways to Create Like a Kid Again. You can listen above or on&nbsp;your favorite podcast app&nbsp;or read the notes and links below. Here are the highlights and the full transcript is below.&nbsp; Show Notes Why Austin wrote Don't Call It Art now, and what his kids taught him about creative joy Productive procrastination, silly rituals, and treating writing like Lego</

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