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CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, can happen to 25% of the population and is usually triggered by a biotoxin in the environment, like mold, red tide, lyme (tick bite), and even some medical interventions. Those with CIRS are susceptible to these toxins and cannot clear them on their own. Thankfully, treatment is possible, but given that people suffering with CIRS have difficulty processing new information, we created The CIRS Group and now, this podcast, to help people better understand and identify this treatable illness. Jacie is a 3 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a wealth and wellness coach, 2 year carnivore and a big fan of health and freedom. Along with Jacie, she co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis.
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- 2 days ago43 min
Throwback to one of our favorites: CIRS Treatment on a Budget with Dr. Alan Gruning
Barbara and Jacie are bringing back an old and popular episode: Treating CIRS on a budget, with a special guest, Dr. Alan Gruning. They also share a petition from Patients for Damp Building Research urging HHS to take chronic illness from water-damaged buildings seriously, please sign by the December 1, 2026 deadline: https://dampbuildingresearch.org/ Today, they're interviewing functional medicine practitioner Dr. Alan Gruning, a Shoemaker-trained CIRS provider who also runs Christian Medical Ministries, which is the only free U.S. clinic treating CIRS patients. Dr. Gruning explains budget-focused strategies for CIRS: prioritizing getting out of exposure, practical home decontamination, vetting IEPs and HVAC inspections, and reducing testing costs. He discusses tracking progress with monthly VCS and symptoms, challenges with rentals, RVs as a recovery option, approaches to Lyme and long COVID/vaccine injury (using FLCCC protocols), minimizing binder side effects, VIP cost options, and using Lumosity for cognitive support, plus resources and websites for care and support. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Intro 00:31 Petition and Disclaimer 01:46 Meet Dr. Gruning 03:51 His CIRS journey 06:52 Affordable home decontamination 09:19 Finding a good IEP 12:24 DIY Cleaning Strategy 15:16 Labs on a Budget 16:48 Rentals and RV options 21:19 Lyme and Long COVID 22:42 Treating vaccine injury first 24:24 Long COVID as CIRS 27:04 Binder reactions and exposure 28:37 Trauma, faith, and healing 30:25 CIRS Treatment on a budget 34:43 VIP spray cost hacks 36:22 Brain recovery with Lumosity 40:28 Resources and Wrap Up For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com LINKS MENTIONED IN THE EPISODE: Work with Dr. Gruning: https://fibromyalgiafortmyers.com/doctor/dr-alan-gruning-d-o/ Christian CIRS Network: https://cirsnetwork.com/ Christian Medical Ministries: https://www.christianmedicalministries.org/ Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs The CIRS Group: Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources: Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching: Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
- 2 weeks ago24 min
ALS (Lou Gehrig’s Disease) and Environmental Toxins: Cyanobacteria, BMAA, and Possible CIRS Links
In this CIRS Group podcast episode, Jacie and Barbara discuss ALS (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), also known as Lou Gehrig’s disease, describing it as a rare, progressive, fatal motor neuron disease that leads to muscle weakness, speech and swallowing difficulties, and eventually respiratory failure. They explain that most cases are considered sporadic, prompting research into environmental “multi-hit” contributors alongside genetic susceptibility. The conversation focuses on evidence connecting cyanobacteria and the neurotoxin BMAA to ALS, including the Guam ALS/Parkinsonism-dementia complex, ALS clustering around Lake Mascoma in New Hampshire, broader regional clusters in New England, and studies linking poor lake quality and cyanobacterial markers to higher ALS risk, with possible airborne exposure. They also explore overlaps with CIRS/mold illness mechanisms, mention home testing options for cyanobacteria, and review preliminary research on L-serine as a potential way to slow functional decline. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Welcome and ALS Overview 00:39 Why ALS Matters Here 03:14 CIRS Connection and Disclaimers 05:47 What ALS Does to the Body 06:53 Sporadic ALS and Multi Hit Theory 08:50 Guam Clues and BMAA Toxin 10:01 New England Lake Hotspots 12:10 Airborne Exposure and Protein Folding 14:56 Where CIRS Fits In 17:48 Practical Steps and Home Testing 20:13 L Serine Research and Dosing 22:11 CIRS Next Steps and Wrap Up For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs The CIRS Group: Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources: Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching: Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
- 3 weeks ago46 min
COVID, Spike Protein, Long COVID & CIRS: Testing options, symptom overlap, and how to feel better!
Barbara and Jacie discuss COVID, spike protein, long COVID, and possible connections to CIRS. DISCLAIMER: This is educational and not medical advice. Always consult your own medical professional before doing any of the protocols discussed here. They explain spike protein’s role in viral cell entry via ACE2 receptors, note it can be produced during infection and temporarily after certain vaccinations, and share Jacie’s experience of worsening health during COVID times that improved after a spike protein protocol. They describe theories for persistent symptoms (viral reservoirs, ongoing replication), symptom overlap with CIRS (inflammation, clotting, neuro issues), and available testing—especially LabCorp spike antibody testing, plus a Texas lab option to measure spike protein directly. They reference Shoemaker’s 2021 genomic study on persistent symptoms and discuss i-Recover/Independent Medical Alliance approaches such as intermittent fasting, nattokinase, bromelain, quercetin, ivermectin, LDN, melatonin, NAC, and graded exercise, as well as any potential adverse effects. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Intro and disclaimer 01:11 Jacie's personal spike protocol story 02:51 What spike protein does 03:43 Vaccines and shedding debate 06:24 Why spike protein persists in the body 07:42 How to test for spike antibodies 10:55 How spike protein affects the body 14:38 CIRS Research liked to Long COVID 17:44 Treatment side quests 18:31 i-Recover protocol basics 21:25 Benefits of intermittent fasting (14 hours) 22:25 Nattokinase: benefits and risks 26:05 Bromelain: benefits and risks 27:23 Quercetin: for inflammation 30:16 Ivermectin: benefits and risks 33:45 Other IMA / i-Recover suggestions 37:28 Slowly graded exercise 38:11 Should you test for spike protein? 41:16 Outro For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com LINKS MENTIONED IN THE EPISODE: Any Lab Now Spike Protein test (or search their site to find one in your area): https://www.anylabtestnow.com/henderson-89074/tests/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-generated-antibody-test/ LabCorp COVID-19 antibody test: https://www.ondemand.labcorp.com/lab-tests/covid-19-antibody-test Dr. Shoemaker's published research on COVID: https://www.survivingmold.com/Publications/MRA_FINAL_6_14_21_Treatable_metabolic_and_inflammatory_abnormalities_in_Pos.pdf Our interview about LPS (endotoxins) in the gut: https://youtu.be/7H6CKEhIMSU?si=EFJfBoUlSn4Pzv0u i-Recover Protocol: https://imahealth.org/protocol/i-recover-long-covid-treatment/ Research cited during this episode: Spike Protein and Bacterial Endotoxin Interactions: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7799037/ Nattokinase and Spike Protein Degradation: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9458005/ Bromelain and SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7811777/ Quercetin and Spike-Mediated Cell Fusion: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10811921/ 2026 Study: Persistent SARS-CoV-2 Antigens and Long COVID: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/42323109/ IMA/FLCCC I-RECOVER Treatment Protocol: https://imahealth.org/protocol/i-recover-long-covid-treatment/ Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs The CIRS Group: Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources: Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching: Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
- Oct 7, 202633 min
Can't tolerate CIRS treatment? How to navigate intensification, stalls, and flares
Barbara and Jacie discuss what to do when the Shoemaker protocol/CIRS treatment feels intolerable. They stress testing the home (ERMI or HERTSMI-2 dust testing at minimum, ideally including actinos and endotoxins) and choosing to leave, remediate, or use temporary “Band-Aids” like a safe room with an Air Oasis, frequent cleaning, or even sleeping outside in a low-VOC tent. They cover cautious binder use (especially if still in exposure), avoiding risky “crazy supports” like Neuro Plasmalogens too early, and using stabilizing supportive strategies such as morning sunlight, sleep, omega-3s, and ensuring daily bowel movements. They compare binders from gentlest to strongest (chitosan, MycoBind, Welchol, compounded CSM) and suggest re-checking other exposures (Lyme/tick-borne, spike protein, dental issues, implants) if binders aren’t tolerated. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Intro and disclaimer 00:39 When the protocol feels impossible 02:30 How to deal with exposure 04:10 Leave or remediate? 06:00 Create a safe room 07:40 Camping: living in tents 09:29 Low dose Binders while in exposure 12:06 Avoid risky supplements 15:31 More tolerable supports and strategies: sun, sleep, mindset 17:39 Prep for binders: Omega 3s and regular bowel movements 22:27 Binder options ranked 25:38 If you really can't tolerate the binders at all 29:46 Detoxing with self care For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com Our episode on dust testing: https://youtu.be/ugKumIiWyGY?si=T80EPSsPO9GG9ziq Our episode on renting with CIRS: https://youtu.be/ZCjCbxKeYQ0?si=5MYBmS-BfejLXiII Our episodes on remediation: Bill Weber: https://youtu.be/RlKjTqVAeNU?si=lQyBtsgDQIXAaY5c Michael Schrantz: https://youtu.be/_BEwFVdpRcY?si=c-6A3TaoI8G0Xcc_ Max McCord: https://youtu.be/FqixkBGj4Bo?si=ghBshOOv0mNdsg5Z Low VOC Tent: https://www.mychemicalfreehouse.net/2021/01/camping-with-mcs.html Our plasmalogens episode: https://youtu.be/wnTYoYYP15k?si=3itC8krsopRfsKbI our episode about tick borne illness with Dr. Milani: https://youtu.be/kaao2kwt1mA?si=pLFj_UGQHNGTvnt5 Our Chris Williamson episode: https://youtu.be/5uTs5B6ySHQ?si=xVkyCZfHcq772_uo Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs The CIRS Group: Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources: Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching: Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
- Sep 30, 202639 min
Dust Testing Showdown!! EnviroBiomics vs Lis Biotech vs Mycometrics (ERMI/HERTSMI-2 Experiment)
Dust Testing Showdown: EnviroBiomics vs Liz Biotech vs Mycometrics (ERMI/HERTSMI-2 Experiment) In this CIRS Group Podcast episode, Barbara describes a controlled dust-test experiment comparing MSQ PCR/ERMI results across three CIRS-relevant labs—EnviroBiomics, Liz Biotech, and Mycometrics—using dust collected the same day from the same home and surfaces, divided into left/middle/right sections to reduce sampling bias. The labs returned very different ERMI/HERTSMI-2 scores (Mycometrics 7.4/12, Liz Biotech 13.4/18, EnviroBiomics 18.8/20), while showing broadly similar mold “fingerprints,” suggesting major differences in reported concentrations rather than species detected. They emphasize the test does not prove which lab is correct, recommend using the same lab for pre/post remediation comparisons, and focusing more on individual species profiles than top-line scores. Because all tests detected Stachybotrys and Chaetomium, Barbara suggests repeated deep cleaning, room-by-room retesting with one lab, and involving a CIRS-literate IEP if results remain concerning, while also sharing pricing, feature differences, and a prior EnviroBiomics reporting/customer-service issue. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Welcome and Setup 01:17 Why Compare Labs 03:33 Experiment Design 04:39 Sampling Strategy 07:22 Undercover Customer Mode 08:48 Results Big Score Gaps 11:44 What It Means 14:18 Practical Takeaways 15:26 Reading Species Profiles 21:58 Advice for This Home 25:45 Lab Pros Cons and Costs 35:53 Final Wrap Up For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs The CIRS Group: Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources: Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching: Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
- Sep 23, 202640 min
Tick-Borne Illness & CIRS: testing pitfalls, key symptoms, and how to heal
Barbara welcomes Dr. Kellyn Milani, a naturopathic doctor and primary care physician specializing in complex environmentally acquired illnesses, to discuss tick-borne illness in the context of CIRS aka mold illness. Dr. Milani explains that tick-borne disease is a major trigger for CIRS, emphasizes Lyme occurs in all 50 states, and outlines why testing is limited and Lyme is primarily a clinical diagnosis. She reviews symptom patterns that raise suspicion for Lyme and common co-infections (including Babesia, Bartonella, Anaplasma, Ehrlichia, tick-borne relapsing fever, and Rocky Mountain spotted fever), offers practical guidance for tick removal and testing, and discusses treatment sequencing with the Shoemaker protocol, typical chronic treatment timelines, and managing intensification reactions. She also shares her approach using pulsed antibiotics, herbs, biofilm support, and foundational anti-inflammatory and lifestyle prep, plus ways to connect with her via social platforms, her Skool community, and her clinic wait list. THIS IS NOT MEDICAL ADVICE, please consult your own practitioner or work with Dr. Milani for your specific health concerns. For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Intro 01:37 Why tick-borne illness matters 02:59 When to consider tick-borne testing 06:00 Testing and clinical diagnosis 08:50 Key symptoms to watch for in Lyme, Bartonella, Babesia, etc. 15:39 Timing of treatment 18:42 Treatment strategies: antibiotics, herbals, biofilm busting 23:06 How long treatment can take 26:58 Symptom flares and prep tips 33:08 Supportive activities 35:52 How to Work With Dr. Milani 39:50 Outro For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com Dr. Milani's instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drkellynmilani/ Dr. Milani's Skool community: https://www.skool.com/drkellyn/ Dr. Milani's website (join her waitlist): https://remedynaturalhealth.com/ Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs The CIRS Group: Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources: Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching: Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
- Sep 16, 202640 min
Barbara’s CIRS Health Update: Did the Shoemaker Protocol work?
On today's episode of The CIRS Group Podcast, Barbara shares a health update. She reports a smoother-than-expected recovery from an August 2025 L5-S1 PLIF spinal fusion, major symptom improvements after going gluten- and dairy-free, adding gut supplements, and tracking with stool testing. She began tick-borne treatment with a specialist using pulsed antibiotics plus biofilm support and albendazole, noting microbiome changes and a post-treatment drop in MSH while continuing low-dose binders and passing the VCS. Ongoing issues include stubborn MARCoNS and sinus imbalance (multiple rinses/sprays, EDTA+silver side effects, considering ENT evaluation, sleep study, and possibly nebulized treatment). She discusses hormone testing (DUTCH/bloodwork), fibroids/adenomyosis management with oral progesterone, low-dose morning hydrocortisone, and starting testosterone cream. Barbara also covers difficult EMDR therapy attempts, learning shutdown vs fight/flight in Jacie’s nervous system cohort, and supportive care like acupuncture and NUCCA chiropractic. In the next update, she'll cover upcoming labs, retesting results, actino cleaning, and possible iron infusions. She also adds a couple exciting personal life updates: getting married and adopting a puppy! For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Intro and medical disclaimer 01:11 Spinal fusion recovery 02:02 Gut changes and diet 04:09 Tick Borne treatment 06:34 Why the Shoemaker Protocol didn't work on it's own 08:59 Grief and autoimmune flare 10:20 Upcoming labwork 11:19 MARCoNS sinus battle 13:25 Sleep Study and ENT appointment 15:43 Hormone testing 17:57 Fibroids, progesterone, and cortisol support 21:39 Testosterone treatment and cautions 23:18 Therapy: EMDR fails and incorporation of nicotine 26:13 Shutdown: nervous system regulation tools 31:30 Acupuncture and NUCCA chiropractic adjustments 33:19 TLDR - What's working and what's not 36:15 Happy life updates! 37:40 Future podcast guests and group events For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs HELPFUL LINKS: Jacie's recent health update: https://youtu.be/pGBCx3fwxMk?si=3e8YQzhZdG3bMv43 Barbara's last health update: https://youtu.be/IkcKvfcIIdA?si=1QdRUeqBYIAWI0JS Our hormone episode: https://youtu.be/OStNHRNffqw?si=9cLRWroxRmiwfacQ Learn more about Jacie's nervous system resources: https://builttoregulate.com/ The CIRS Group: Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources: Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching: Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
- Sep 2, 202634 min
Why Mold Remediation Fails (and how to get it right) with Max McCord on CIRS Building Science
In this The CIRS Group Podcast episode, hosts Jacie and Barbara interview Max McCord, an indoor environmental professional and president of the Stonecrest Team, about why mold remediation projects can fail even after visible mold is removed. Max explains that the biggest misses are often hidden, hard-to-see species like whitish Aspergillus, and that relying on basic air sampling can wrongly suggest a home is “clear,” while PCR-based testing, such as ERMI dust tests, can reveal what was missed. He describes using detailed building history, CIRS-focused building science, macro photography, and advanced thermography to identify microclimates, insulation and vapor issues, and other hidden sources. The conversation also covers common containment and demolition mistakes that spread contamination, why coordination among IEPs, remediators, HVAC and insulation contractors matters, and how post-remediation “clearance” can be undone during remodeling by contaminated tools and materials. Max shares his personal CIRS diagnosis and his work with Christian Medical Ministries. Check out https://www.stonecrest.team and https://www.christianmedicalministries.org to learn more. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Intro - meet Max McCord 03:20 Why remediation fails 07:46 Tools to detect hidden mold 13:09 Teamwork between IEPs, remediators and contractors 16:28 Containment done right 20:22 Tips to make sure things are done correctly 26:52 Max shares his own CIRS diagnosis 31:02 Ministry and Resources 34:15 Wrap Up and Next Steps For more information and support, join us at https://thecirsgroup.com HELPFUL LINKS: Work with Max McCord: https://www.stonecrest.team/ Christian Medical Ministries: https://www.christianmedicalministries.org/our-board Order Jacie's book! The 30 Day Carnivore Bootcamp: https://a.co/d/7MgHrRs The CIRS Group: Support Community: https://thecirsgroup.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecirsgroup/ Find Jacie for carnivore, lifestyle and limbic resources: Jacie’s book on the Carnivore diet! https://a.co/d/8ZKCqz0 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ladycarnivory YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LadyCarnivory Blog: https://www.ladycarnivory.com/ Find Barbara for business/finance tips and coaching: Website: https://www.actlikebarbara.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/actlikebarbara/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@actlikebarbara Jacie is a Shoemaker certified Proficiency Partner, NASM certified nutrition coach, author, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a business and fitness coach, CIRS and ADHD advocate, writer, speaker, and a big fan of health and freedom. Together, they co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis and treatment.
About The CIRS Group Podcast
CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, can happen to 25% of the population and is usually triggered by a biotoxin in the environment, like mold, red tide, lyme (tick bite), and even some medical interventions. Those with CIRS are susceptible to these toxins and cannot clear them on their own. Thankfully, treatment is possible, but given that people suffering with CIRS have difficulty processing new information, we created The CIRS Group and now, this podcast, to help people better understand and identify this treatable illness. Jacie is a 3 year carnivore, certified nutrition coach, and carnivore recipe developer determined to share the life changing information of carnivore and CIRS to anyone who will listen. Barbara is a wealth and wellness coach, 2 year carnivore and a big fan of health and freedom. Along with Jacie, she co-founded The CIRS Group, an online support community to help people that are struggling with their CIRS diagnosis.
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