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- 2 weeks ago1h 11m
At Home With MOD SUN: Sobriety, Heartbreak, New Music & Starting Over
One of my dearest friends in music came over to the house. 🖤 MOD SUN joined me for one of the most honest conversations we've ever had about sobriety, heartbreak, purpose, creativity, healing, and why he believes he's entering the greatest chapter of his life. We dive deep into his incredible new album, how Nashville completely changed his creative process, making music inspired by Bob Dylan, collaborating with Chris Carrabba, his friendship with Machine Gun Kelly, becoming sober, finding peace after heartbreak, and why he finally feels like he's made the quintessential MOD SUN album. We also talk about: ⚡️ Warped Tour memories and how our friendship began ⚡️ Life after heartbreak and finding a new purpose ⚡️ Why Bob Dylan inspired this new chapter ⚡️ Creating the "quintessential" MOD SUN album ⚡️ Why Nashville changed everything ⚡️ Working with Chris Carrabba on "Danger" ⚡️ Using songwriting as therapy ⚡️ Relationships, love, and wanting to become a father ⚡️ Looking back on his dad and the lessons he carries today ⚡️ His sobriety journey, overdose, and rock bottom ⚡️ Learning to become a better person ⚡️ Regrets, perspective, and living without fear ⚡️ Making peace with his past, including Avril Lavigne ⚡️ Defining success beyond fame and money ⚡️ His lifelong brotherhood with Machine Gun Kelly ⚡️ Why rock music is entering an exciting new era ⚡️ The songs, albums, and artists that changed his life ⚡️ Advice for staying present and living with purpose Plus: oatmeal cookies, Shirley Temples, vintage barware, brownies, banana hammocks, and plenty of laughs along the way. If you're a longtime MOD SUN fan or simply love conversations about music, resilience, creativity, recovery, and finding your purpose, this one is for you. ❤️ Subscribe for more At Home conversations: https://youtube.com/@AllisonHagendorf 🎧 Listen on Spotify & Apple Podcasts: https://play.megaphone.fm/sxhb2ibzrw-vle8ombutpa ❤️ FOLLOW ALLISON ON SOCIALS ✅ YouTube: https://youtube.com/AllisonHagendorf ✅ Official Website: https://allisonhagendorf.com ✅ Instagram: https://instagram.com/allisonhagendorf ✅ TikTok: https://TikTok.com/@allisonhagendorf ✅ X: https://x.com/allihagendorf 00:00 - Intro 01:51 - Cookies, Shirley Temples & Brian 05:00 - Connecting at Warped Tour & Friendship Origins 06:30 - How Are You Feeling? 09:12 - New Music & Life After Heartbreak 12:54 - Making Music Like Bob Dylan 17:00 - The Quintessential MOD SUN Album 19:32 - Why Nashville Changed Everything 22:37 - "Danger" with Chris Carrabba 32:32 - Music as Therapy 33:43 - Relationships, Love & Wanting to Be a Dad 36:53 - Looking Back at His Father 39:14 - Sobriety, Rock Bottom & Second Chances 41:53 - Becoming a Better Person 46:09 - Living Without Regrets 48:18 - Making Peace with Avril Lavigne 49:20 - What Success Really Means 52:14 - The Brotherhood with Machine Gun Kelly 57:30 - Why Rock Music Is Changing 59:56 - Deep Cuts 1:10:21 - Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
- Jun 25, 20261h 1m
At Home With Biffy Clyro: Brotherhood, New Music & 25 Years Together
One of my favorite bands of the last 20 years finally came over to the house. 🖤 Simon Neil and Ben Johnston of Biffy Clyro joined me for an honest conversation about friendship, longevity, songwriting, mental health, aging, creativity, and what it takes to keep a band together for more than 25 years. We dive deep into their incredible new album Futique, recording at the legendary Hansa Studios in Berlin, working with producer Jonathan Gilmore, and why this record feels so special. We also talk about: ⚡️ Returning to the U.S. after years away ⚡️ Recording at Hansa Studios and the magic of Berlin ⚡️ Working with Jonathan Gilmore (The 1975, Nothing But Thieves) ⚡️ The themes behind Futique and songs like "Hunting Season" ⚡️ Their songwriting process after 10 studio albums ⚡️ Family, kids, baking, and life outside the band ⚡️ "Shot One" and appreciating life in the present moment ⚡️ The emotional story behind "Goodbye" ⚡️ James Johnston's mental health journey and the band's brotherhood ⚡️ The healing power of live music ⚡️ Aging, creativity, and protecting your energy ⚡️ Brian Wilson, "God Only Knows," and Glastonbury ⚡️ Human creativity vs AI ⚡️ Nirvana, Nine Inch Nails, Jeff Buckley, and their musical influences ⚡️ The lessons they've learned after 25 years together ⚡️ Advice they would give their younger selves Plus: brownies, Scotland stories, Glasgow rugby players, and some of the most thoughtful reflections on music I've heard in a long time. If you're a longtime Biffy fan or simply love conversations about creativity, resilience, and finding meaning through music this one is for you. 🎧 Listen on Spotify & Apple Podcasts: https://play.megaphone.fm/sxhb2ibzrw-vle8ombutpa ❤️ FOLLOW ALLISON ON SOCIALS ✅ YouTube: https://youtube.com/AllisonHagendorf ✅ Official Website: https://allisonhagendorf.com ✅ Instagram: https://instagram.com/allisonhagendorf ✅ TikTok: https://TikTok.com/@allisonhagendorf ✅ X: https://x.com/allihagendorf #BiffyClyro #SimonNeil #Futique 00:00 - Welcome 01:39 - Intro 02:24 - Finally Back in the U.S. 03:37 - Playing the New Music Live 04:27 - Recording Futique at Hansa Studios in Berlin 07:15 - Working with Jonathan Gilmore 08:28 - Themes of the Album & "Hunting Season" 10:09 - Songwriting After 10 Albums 12:07 - Baking & Brownies 15:03 - Kids & Family 16:45 - "Shot One" 19:04 - Reflection & Living in the Moment 19:55 - "Goodbye" 24:10 - James Johnston & Mental Health 25:09 - How They're Feeling Right Now 26:50 - The Healing Power of Playing Live 30:01 - Sustaining the Physicality of Touring 31:10 - Glastonbury, Brian Wilson & "God Only Knows" 33:29 - Aging, Songwriting & Perspective 35:39 - Human Creativity vs AI 39:39 - Finding Your Own Music & Influences 43:29 - Nirvana, Nine Inch Nails, Tron & Jared Leto 45:42 - Lessons Learned After 25 Years 49:39 - Glasgow Stories & Scotland 51:22 - Advice to Their Younger Selves 54:03 - Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
- May 28, 202643 min
At Home With Red Leather: Addiction, Recovery & the Music That Saved Him
Chocolate-loaded peanut butter cookies, vulnerability, and one of the most honest conversations I’ve ever had on this show. 🍪🎸 In this intimate home hang, I welcome Red Leather for his first-ever in-person podcast interview — and what unfolds is raw, emotional, reflective, and deeply human. From addiction and near-death experiences to sobriety, gratitude, and finding purpose through music, Red Leather opens up about the real stories behind Reno and Tahoe and the life that inspired them. Red Leather opens up about: ⚡️ Writing Reno during active addiction and Tahoe in sobriety ⚡️ The importance of place and creating music in Joshua Tree, Tahoe, Big Bear, and beyond ⚡️ The terrifying true story behind “Last Call” ⚡️ Hitting multiple rock bottoms before finally getting sober ⚡️ His heart attack, overdose, and the moment everything changed ⚡️ “Angel Song,” love, healing, and learning how to receive support ⚡️ “Losing My Religion” and questioning everything you thought you believed ⚡️ Nirvana, Radiohead, and the music that shaped his voice and sound ⚡️ Addiction, escapism, and the cycle of shame ⚡️ Why sobriety gave him clarity and helped him become who he really is ⚡️ The origin of the Red Leather persona and how the mask became a symbol of hope ⚡️ Gratitude as a superpower ⚡️ The role live music plays in human connection and healing ⚡️ His dreams of creating timeless albums and building a lasting legacy Plus: cookies, deep music conversations, Marvin Gaye, Phantom Planet, Radiohead deep dives, and a reminder that it’s never too late to change your life. This is Red Leather , vulnerable, thoughtful, and just getting started. Subscribe on Substack for more behind-the-scenes from our house hangs: allisonhagendorf.substack.com 🎧 Listen on Spotify & Apple Podcasts: https://play.megaphone.fm/sxhb2ibzrw-vle8ombutpa ⸻ ❤️ FOLLOW & SUBSCRIBE TO ALLISON ✅ Substack: https://allisonhagendorf.substack.com ✅ YouTube: https://youtube.com/AllisonHagendorf ✅ Official Website: https://allisonhagendorf.com ✅ Instagram: https://instagram.com/allisonhagendorf ✅ TikTok: https://TikTok.com/@allisonhagendorf ✅ X: https://x.com/allihagendorf ⸻ 00:00 - Intro 01:38 - Welcome & Cookies 03:32 - Reno vs Tahoe & Sense of Place 05:16 - Songwriting Process 06:49 - The Story Behind “Last Call” 11:42 - Rock Bottom & Near-Death Experiences 13:56 - “Angel Song” & Healing Through Love 15:51 - Favorite & Most Surprising Moment on the Album 16:32 - “Losing My Religion” 18:27 - “Get Out of My Head” & Nirvana’s Influence 20:11 - The Role of Music in Life 22:53 - The Start of Addiction 25:03 - Sobriety, Clarity & Becoming Himself Again 25:34 - The Mask, The Costume & The Character 27:38 - Will He Ever Unmask? 28:42 - Message to Anyone Struggling 29:26 - What He Hopes for Himself 30:56 - Gratitude as a Superpower 33:29 - What’s On His Playlist Right Now 35:40 - What Scares Him Now? 37:30 - What Excites Him Now? 41:00 - Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
- May 15, 20261h 9m
At Home With Scott Ian: New Anthrax, Iron Maiden Rock Hall & 45 Years of Metal
Scott Ian pulled up, immediately grabbed the cinnamon rolls, and we ended up having one of the most honest conversations I’ve had on the show. In this intimate home hang, the Anthrax co-founder opens up about the new album, losing his father, raising a son, staying a true music fan after four decades, and what happiness actually looks like now. We talk about: ⚡️ The emotional weight behind “The Long Goodbye” ⚡️ Writing through grief and catharsis ⚡️ Why Anthrax still pushes themselves creatively after 40+ years ⚡️ Joey Belladonna’s vocals and the chemistry inside the band ⚡️ Public Enemy, “Bring The Noise,” and helping open the door for rap/rock ⚡️ Iron Maiden and the Rock Hall conversation ⚡️ Marriage, family, fatherhood, and perspective ⚡️ Staying inspired and connected to music after all these years ⚡️ The changing music industry and what it means to “make it” now ⚡️ Legacy, happiness, and leading with heart Plus: Dave Grohl pillows, cinnamon rolls, beard talk, and a reminder that the legends who last are usually the ones who stay human. 🎧 Listen on Spotify & Apple Podcasts: https://play.megaphone.fm/sxhb2ibzrw-vle8ombutpa 🍪 Yes, the baked goods always matter. ⸻ ❤️ FOLLOW & SUBSCRIBE TO ALLISON ✅ Substack: https://allisonhagendorf.substack.com ✅ YouTube: https://youtube.com/AllisonHagendorf ✅ Official Website: https://allisonhagendorf.com ✅ Instagram: https://instagram.com/allisonhagendorf ✅ TikTok: https://TikTok.com/@allisonhagendorf ✅ X: https://x.com/allihagendorf ⸻ 00:00 - Arrival & Welcome 01:01 - Intro & Cinnamon Rolls 02:00 - Album Title: Meaning & Translation 03:32 - Is This the Final Journey? 07:15 - Why Now Was the Right Time 09:40 - Opening Tracks & First Impressions 13:19 - “The Long Goodbye” & Processing Loss 15:37 - “It’s For The Kids” 18:32 - “The Edge of Perfection” 20:55 - Dave Grohl Story 22:13 - Joey’s Vocals & Band Chemistry 25:12 - Writing About Love 26:33 - Iron Maiden & Rock Hall 31:10 - Staying a True Music Fan 32:13 - Public Enemy & “Bring The Noise” 39:21 - Rap Meets Metal 40:47 - Fatherhood & His Son 45:44 - Then vs Now in the Industry 48:55 - Family & Life Balance 52:30 - Love, Marriage & Happiness 54:37 - Anthrax Longevity 57:09 - Playing Songs Live 58:05 - Legacy & Leading with Heart 01:04:50 - The Beard Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
- May 6, 20261h 29m
At Home With Shinedown: New Album ‘8,’ Longevity, Loss & Why Their Best Era Is Now
Chocolate chip cookies, real conversation, and a band entering one of the most powerful chapters of their career. 🍪🎸 In this intimate home hang, I welcome Shinedown as they step into a new era with their eighth studio album, 8. From massive milestones to deeply personal loss, this conversation goes far beyond the music. Brent Smith and Zach Myers open up about the mindset behind the album, the emotional weight of the songs, and why this record feels like Shinedown at their most human, intentional, and fully alive. Shinedown opens up about:⚡️ The making of 8 and why it feels like a new era⚡️ Their record-breaking success at rock radio and what it means to them⚡️ Why this 18-song album has no filler⚡️ The songwriting, production, and emotional precision behind the record⚡️ Eric Bass’s role as producer, mixer, engineer, and creative force⚡️ Lessons from Desmond Child and the power of a great rhythm section⚡️ Influences from Elton John, Nirvana, Counting Crows, and more⚡️ Why no AI was used on the album and why the human element matters⚡️ “365,” grief, gratitude, and honoring loved ones through music⚡️ Nostalgia, Xennials, and the emotional pull of “Young Again”⚡️ Longevity, brotherhood, and how they’ve stayed connected as a band⚡️ Giving the audience their flowers and the symbolism behind the album artwork⚡️ The story behind “I’m So Glad You Asked” and Eric’s first lead vocal on a Shinedown record⚡️ “The Pilot,” Dave Bassett, and closing the album with one of its most emotional moments⚡️ Health, fitness, touring, and what it takes to perform at this level Plus: cookies, creative philosophy, deep music references, real talk about loss, and a band that continues to evolve without losing who they are. This is Shinedown: reflective, open, and in their best era yet. 🎧 Listen on Spotify & Apple Podcasts: https://play.megaphone.fm/sxhb2ibzrw-vle8ombutpa🍪 Yes, the cookies matter. ⸻❤️ FOLLOW & SUBSCRIBE TO ALLISON✅ Substack: https://allisonhagendorf.substack.com✅ YouTube: https://youtube.com/AllisonHagendorf✅ Official Website: https://allisonhagendorf.com✅ Instagram: https://instagram.com/allisonhagendorf✅ TikTok: https://TikTok.com/@allisonhagendorf✅ X: https://x.com/allihagendorf ⸻00:00 - Intro01:28 - Cookies, First Impressions & Album Conversations07:46 - Success, Accolades & Perspective11:07 - Introducing 813:16 - The Mindset Behind the Album14:30 - Erik’s Dedication & Creative Process17:25 - What Makes Shinedown Unique18:20 - Lessons from Desmond Child20:51 - Elton John & Musical Influences24:34 - Nirvana, Kurt Cobain & Counting Crows30:59 - Back to 8 — Starting from the Bottom33:35 - No AI — Keeping Music Human36:27 - Album Production41:00 - “365,” Loss & Personal Story48:24 - Nostalgia, Xennials & “Young Again”52:00 - Longevity & Staying Power53:23 - Unity & Festival Decisions54:20 - Album Artwork & Symbolism56:20 - “I’m So Glad You Asked”1:00:36 - Album Sequencing1:03:00 - “The Pilot” & Dave Bassett1:09:03 - Proudest Moments1:12:03 - Touring, Fitness & Physicality1:18:41 - Health & Longevity1:23:04 - Entering a New Era1:24:16 - Legacy & Impact1:27:00 - Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
- Apr 23, 202630 min
At Home With Zakk Wylde: Ozzy Stories, New Music & Doing What You Love
Chocolate chip banana bread (still warm), coffee, and one of the most legendary guitarists in rock sitting in my kitchen. 🍌🍞🎸 In this intimate home hang, I welcome Zakk Wylde of Black Label Society founder, Ozzy Osbourne’s longtime guitarist, and a true force in music for a conversation that’s as raw, funny, and heartfelt as he is. From life on the road to loss, legacy, and everything in between, Zakk shows up exactly as you’d hope: honest, grounded, and completely himself. Zakk opens up about: ⚡️ His new album and the long road to finishing it ⚡️ Why this record took years — and how time changed the music ⚡️ The balance between heavy riffs and deeply personal ballads ⚡️ Writing “Ozzy’s song” and honoring one of the most important relationships of his life ⚡️ Grief, gratitude, and what it means to truly cherish the time you have with people ⚡️ His first audition with Ozzy — and the advice that changed everything ⚡️ Life on tour, staying physically and mentally strong, and the discipline behind it ⚡️ Marriage, family, and what keeps a relationship strong after decades ⚡️ Why doing what you love is the only path that actually works ⚡️ The importance of authenticity — in music and in life Plus: banana bread, coffee, Ozzy stories, gym talk, guitar nerd moments, and a lot of laughter. This is Zakk Wylde being reflective, hilarious, and fully himself. Subscribe on Substack for more behind-the-scenes from our house hangs: allisonhagendorf.substack.com 🎧 Listen on Spotify & Apple Podcasts: https://play.megaphone.fm/sxhb2ibzrw-vle8ombutpa 🍌🍞 Yes, the banana bread matters. ⸻ ❤️ FOLLOW & SUBSCRIBE TO ALLISON ✅ Substack: https://allisonhagendorf.substack.com ✅ YouTube: https://youtube.com/AllisonHagendorf ✅ Official Website: https://allisonhagendorf.com ✅ Instagram: https://instagram.com/allisonhagendorf ✅ TikTok: https://TikTok.com/@allisonhagendorf ✅ X: https://x.com/allihagendorf ⸻ 00:00 - Intro 01:11 - Welcome, Banana Bread & Fitness 03:57 - The New Album & Long Creative Process 07:57 - Bangers vs. Ballads 09:41 - Writing “Ozzy’s Song” 13:50 - Is It Cathartic to Sing? 16:07 - Auditioning for Ozzy & Early Days 19:39 - Dance Lessons & Stage Presence 20:54 - YUNGBLUD & That Full-Circle Moment 22:12 - Marriage, Family & Doing What You Love ⸻ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
- Apr 15, 202644 min
At Home With Dogstar...Keanu Reeves, Bret Domrose & Rob Mailhouse on New Music & Brotherhood
In this intimate home hang, I welcome Dogstar — Keanu Reeves, Bret Domrose, and Rob Mailhouse — as they step into a powerful new chapter with their album "All In Now." From their early days to their reunion and now this next evolution, Dogstar has always been about connection, creativity, and the kind of chemistry you can’t fake. And with this new record, you can feel it — raw, live, and fully alive. Dogstar opens up about: ⚡️ The meaning behind *All In Now* — and what it represents for them now ⚡️ Reuniting as a band and rediscovering their sound ⚡️ Working with legendary producer Nick Launay and embracing a live, raw recording style ⚡️ Recording at the iconic EastWest Studios — and feeling the history in the room ⚡️ Letting go of perfection and leaning into instinct and energy ⚡️ Preparing for a massive year of touring — physically and mentally ⚡️ Musical influences from U2, The Cure, Peter Hook, and beyond ⚡️ The return of real, human rock music in a filtered, AI-driven world ⚡️ Their diehard global fanbase — and what that connection means to them ⚡️ What keeps them together after all these years ⚡️ Keanu on music vs. acting — and what each gives him ⚡️ What being in a band teaches you about yourself and each other Plus: cookies, gear talk, studio stories, live music philosophy, and a conversation that feels like sitting in the room with them. This is Dogstar — grounded, present, and fully all in. Subscribe on Substack for more behind-the-scenes from our house hangs: allisonhagendorf.substack.com ⸻ ❤️ FOLLOW & SUBSCRIBE TO ALLISON ✅ Substack: https://allisonhagendorf.substack.com ✅ YouTube: https://youtube.com/AllisonHagendorf ✅ Official Website: https://allisonhagendorf.com ✅ Instagram: https://instagram.com/allisonhagendorf ✅ TikTok: https://TikTok.com/@allisonhagendorf ✅ X: https://x.com/allihagendorf ⸻ 00:00 - Intro & Dogstar Arrives 00:28 - Cookies & First Impressions 02:45 - Interview Begins / Becoming Led Zeppelin 05:48 - Back Together & Band Evolution 06:49 - “All In Now” – Album Meaning 09:29 - Working with Nick Launay 14:05 - Recording at EastWest Studios 18:38 - Finishing the Album 19:06 - Touring & Preparing 22:28 - Peter Hook’s Influence 23:58 - What Are You Listening To? 29:10 - Diehard Fans 32:46 - What Keeps Them Together 35:05 - Keanu: Music vs Acting 36:11 - What Being in a Band Teaches You 39:10 - Admiration for Each Other Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
- Apr 1, 202655 min
At Home With Jutes...Finding His Voice, New Music & Carving His Own Legacy
Chocolate chip cookies (with M&M’s, of course), music curation, and a full-circle conversation years in the making. 🍪🎶 In this intimate home hang, I welcomeJutes — an artist I've supported since my days as Head of Rock at Spotify — now stepping into a major moment in his career. From his early 808s and autotune era to Sleepyhead and Dilworth, Jutes has carved out a sound that’s raw, genre-fluid, and entirely his own — and now it’s connecting on a global scale. Jutes opens up about: ⚡️ His evolution as an artist — and what it took to finally find his voice ⚡️ Scrapping an entire album that didn’t feel authentic — and starting over ⚡️ The viral acoustic “Vertigo” moment that changed how people saw him ⚡️ Blending rock, R&B, and hip-hop into something that finally feels like him ⚡️ Touring the world, upgrading venues, and why everything is clicking now ⚡️ Sobriety, anxiety, and learning to face life without the mask ⚡️ Human connection vs. chasing numbers — and what actually matters in music ⚡️ Life with Demi Lovato, marriage, and being seen beyond the stage ⚡️ New music, creative chemistry, and what’s next Plus: cookies, curation, 90s nostalgia, vocal deep dives (Deftones, Jeff Buckley, Chet Baker), and a hilarious Grammy night mix-up with Jesse Rutherford. This is Jutes grounded, reflective, and fully stepping into who he is — as an artist and a human. Subscribe on Substack for more behind-the-scenes from our house hangs: allisonhagendorf.substack.com 🎧 Listen on Spotify & Apple Podcasts: https://play.megaphone.fm/sxhb2ibzrw-vle8ombutpa 🍪 Yes, the cookies matter. ⸻ ❤️ FOLLOW & SUBSCRIBE TO ALLISON ✅ Substack: https://allisonhagendorf.substack.com ✅ YouTube: https://youtube.com/AllisonHagendorf ✅ Official Website: https://allisonhagendorf.com ✅ Instagram: https://instagram.com/allisonhagendorf ✅ TikTok: https://TikTok.com/@allisonhagendorf ✅ X: https://x.com/allihagendorf ⸻ 00:00 - Welcome + Cookies 01:30 - Demi Lovato, Baking & First Impressions 03:29 - Music Curation & Instagram Song Choices 05:36 - Jesse Rutherford Mix-Up (Grammy Night Story) 08:15 - Full Circle: First Connection in 2021 10:18 - Sleepyhead & Finding His Voice 12:45 - “Vertigo” Acoustic + Vocal Breakthrough 17:58 - Dilworth & Stepping Into His Sound 21:54 - Reflecting on His Roots & Early Life 26:09 - Advice for Artists: Authenticity Over Numbers 29:49 - Touring & Upgrading Venues Worldwide 32:23 - Sobriety, Anxiety & Mental Health 36:09 - Fear, Pressure & Success 39:06 - Music Taste & Listening with Demi 41:22 - New Music & Creative Evolution 47:15 - Marriage, Love & Being Seen 50:31 - Legacy, Impact & Future Goals 52:04 - Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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