David Ansara: The only problem with Orania, is that there aren't more of them.

When the lights go out and the basics stop working, most people either rage at politics or retreat into cynicism. We chose a third option: talk honestly about what freedom requires when the state centralises power, fails at delivery, and still asks for more control. David Ansara from the Free Market Foundation joins us for a wide-ranging, South Africa grounded conversation on classical liberalism, individual rights, and why the rule of law is supposed to restrain whoever holds office. We dig...