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by Abbie VanMeter and The CMM Institute
The purpose of Coordinated Management of Meaning is to create better social worlds through better communication. This podcast is about empowering all of us in our communication to see ourselves as curious and active participants with the ability to create meaningful change in our relationships and social worlds. Our practice of CMM is about embodying a “communication perspective,” which asks us to “look at communication, rather than through it.” To take a communication perspective is to consider what we’re making and how we’re making it through our communication practices. This means we look at patterns, contexts, stories, and relationships; and that we use curiosity, mindfulness, collaboration, and dialogue to create better social worlds for ourselves. So, we take CMM from theory to practice, engage in collective learning together, and apply a communication perspective to make meaning in our conversations.
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- 1 weeks ago1h 5m
On Unraveling the Turns within Systemic Leadership with Parveen Kaur | Ep. 171
Today, Parveen and Abbie discuss systemic leadership and the usefulness of Coordinated Management of Meaning for systemic psychotherapists, along with many metaphors for conceptualizing generative communication in relationships. ... Parveen Kaur is a Family & Systemic Psychotherapist/Systemic Supervisor with 20 years of experience in a range of settings, including NHS CAMHS, Third Sector Charities work with couples, relational therapy with female offenders in probation services, 5-1...
- 3 weeks ago1h 9m
On Playing The Scene You Are In with Kelly Leonard | Ep. 170
What does it mean to 'play the scene you are in'? ... Today, Abbie and Kelly dig deep into Kelly's story of working and learning at The Second City. ... Kelly Leonard began his Second City career in 1988, eventually becoming producer of Second City in 1992 and Executive Vice President through 2015. He has produced hundreds of original revues with talent such as Stephen Colbert, Tina Fey, Keegan Michael Key, Seth Meyers and Amy Poehler. His book, “Yes, And,” received rave reviews in Vanity Fai...
- Sep 30, 20261h 19m
On Play, Improvisation, and Performance with Cathy Salit and Sarah Filman | Ep. 169
What does it mean to perform "the person you are" as well as "the person you are not"? ... Today, Abbie, Cathy, and Sarah discuss the difference between play, improvisation, and performance and the role that each can have in our personal and collective growth. ... Cathy Rose Salit is an executive coach, improviser, jazz vocalist, and play activist. She founded The Global Play Brigade, an online community across 100 countries providing free workshops, technical and network support to grassroot...
- Sep 16, 20261h 14m
On The Systemic Way with Julie Berentsen and Sezer Fahri | Ep. 168
Listen to Part 1 of this conversation on The Systemic Way Podcast. ... Today, Abbie, Sezer, and Julie talk untold stories, systemic thinking and practice, and the podcast conversations that live on in each of their lives. ... Sezer and Julie are the co-hosts of The Systemic Way Podcast. ... Learn about the CMM Conference here. ... Stories Lived. Stories Told. is created, produced & hosted by Abbie VanMeter. Stories Lived. Stories Told. is an initiative of the CMM Institute for Perso...
- Sep 2, 20261h 35m
On The Future of Cybernetics with the American Society for Cybernetics Presidents | Ep. 167
Welcome to the ASC Presidents Podcast! ... Today, Abbie is joined by some past (and future!) presidents of the American Society for Cybernetics to discuss the past (and future!) of the ASC Organization and the field of Cybernetics. These conversations were recorded onsite in Ouro Preto, Minas Gerais, Brazil, at the 2026 ASC Conference in August 2026. ... Stories Lived. Stories Told. is created, produced & hosted by Abbie VanMeter. Stories Lived. Stories Told. is an initiative ...
- Aug 19, 20261h 49m
On Conversational Confluences at the American Society for Cybernetics Conference | Ep. 166
Welcome to the ASC Participant Podcast! ... Today, Abbie is joined by the participants of the 2026 American Society for Cybernetics Conference in Ouro Preto, Brazil, to reflect on their experiences of this gathering. In this episode, you will hear from 8 conference participants who stopped to speak with Abbie during the in-person conference. These conversations were recorded onsite in Ouro Preto, Minas Gerais, Brazil, at the 2026 ASC Conference in August 2026. ... Stories Lived. S...
- Jul 22, 20261h 7m
On Liberating Structures with Keith McCandless | Ep. 165
What is the 'minimal structure' needed to find or create liberation? ... Today, Abbie and Keith discuss Liberating Structures, including where they come from and what is next. They talk about seemingly contradictory ideas like "strategic emergence," idealized design, and complexity science. ... Keith McCandless is co-developer of Liberating Structures and co-author of the book The Surprising Power of Liberating Structures – Simple Rules to Unleash a Culture of Innovation (2014) an...
- Jul 8, 20261h 17m
On Collaborative Hardball as a New Negotiation with Susan Coleman | Ep. 164
There is nothing you can say with harshness that loving kindness can't do better. ... Today, Abbie and Susan unpack Susan's new book, Collaborative Hardball: Using the Power of a New Negotiation as Women to Change the World, and chat about the impact of a patriarchal world culture, negotiating at the level of rights and rules versus the level of needs and interests, and what a "new negotiation" looks like for women and everyone. ... For over thirty-five years, Susan Coleman has worked f...
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The purpose of Coordinated Management of Meaning is to create better social worlds through better communication. This podcast is about empowering all of us in our communication to see ourselves as curious and active participants with the ability to create meaningful change in our relationships and social worlds. Our practice of CMM is about embodying a “communication perspective,” which asks us to “look at communication, rather than through it.” To take a communication perspective is to consider what we’re making and how we’re making it through our communication practices. This means we look at patterns, contexts, stories, and relationships; and that we use curiosity, mindfulness, collaboration, and dialogue to create better social worlds for ourselves. So, we take CMM from theory to practice, engage in collective learning together, and apply a communication perspective to make meaning in our conversations.
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