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by Abbie VanMeter and The CMM Institute
The purpose of Coordinated Management of Meaning is to create better social worlds through better communication. This podcast is about empowering all of us in our communication to see ourselves as curious and active participants with the ability to create meaningful change in our relationships and social worlds. Our practice of CMM is about embodying a “communication perspective,” which asks us to “look at communication, rather than through it.” To take a communication perspective is to consider what we’re making and how we’re making it through our communication practices. This means we look at patterns, contexts, stories, and relationships; and that we use curiosity, mindfulness, collaboration, and dialogue to create better social worlds for ourselves. So, join us as we take CMM from theory to practice, engage in collective learning together, and apply a communication perspective to make meaning in our conversations.
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- 5 days ago1h 14m
On The Systemic Way with Julie Berentsen and Sezer Fahri | Ep. 168
Listen to Part 1 of this conversation on The Systemic Way Podcast. ... Today, Abbie, Sezer, and Julie talk untold stories, systemic thinking and practice, and the podcast conversations that live on in each of their lives. ... Sezer and Julie are the co-hosts of The Systemic Way Podcast. ... Learn about the CMM Conference here. ... Stories Lived. Stories Told. is created, produced & hosted by Abbie VanMeter. Stories Lived. Stories Told. is an initiative of the CMM Institute for Perso...
- 2 weeks ago1h 35m
On The Future of Cybernetics with the American Society for Cybernetics Presidents | Ep. 167
Welcome to the ASC Presidents Podcast! ... Today, Abbie is joined by some past (and future!) presidents of the American Society for Cybernetics to discuss the past (and future!) of the ASC Organization and the field of Cybernetics. These conversations were recorded onsite in Ouro Preto, Minas Gerais, Brazil, at the 2026 ASC Conference in August 2026. ... Stories Lived. Stories Told. is created, produced & hosted by Abbie VanMeter. Stories Lived. Stories Told. is an initiative ...
- Aug 19, 20261h 49m
On Conversational Confluences at the American Society for Cybernetics Conference | Ep. 166
Welcome to the ASC Participant Podcast! ... Today, Abbie is joined by the participants of the 2026 American Society for Cybernetics Conference in Ouro Preto, Brazil, to reflect on their experiences of this gathering. In this episode, you will hear from 8 conference participants who stopped to speak with Abbie during the in-person conference. These conversations were recorded onsite in Ouro Preto, Minas Gerais, Brazil, at the 2026 ASC Conference in August 2026. ... Stories Lived. S...
- Jul 22, 20261h 7m
On Liberating Structures with Keith McCandless | Ep. 165
What is the 'minimal structure' needed to find or create liberation? ... Today, Abbie and Keith discuss Liberating Structures, including where they come from and what is next. They talk about seemingly contradictory ideas like "strategic emergence," idealized design, and complexity science. ... Keith McCandless is co-developer of Liberating Structures and co-author of the book The Surprising Power of Liberating Structures – Simple Rules to Unleash a Culture of Innovation (2014) an...
- Jul 8, 20261h 17m
On Collaborative Hardball as a New Negotiation with Susan Coleman | Ep. 164
There is nothing you can say with harshness that loving kindness can't do better. ... Today, Abbie and Susan unpack Susan's new book, Collaborative Hardball: Using the Power of a New Negotiation as Women to Change the World, and chat about the impact of a patriarchal world culture, negotiating at the level of rights and rules versus the level of needs and interests, and what a "new negotiation" looks like for women and everyone. ... For over thirty-five years, Susan Coleman has worked f...
- Jun 24, 20261h 13m
On the Art of Positive Communication with Julien Mirivel | Ep. 163
What small changes can you make in your everyday communicating that might create a big difference in your relationships? ... Today, Abbie and Julien explore the art, practices, and concepts behind positive communication, including the ways in which positive, generative styles of communicating can be the antidote to our hurting relationships and social worlds. ... Originally from Paris, France, Julien Mirivel traveled to the US in 1994 as a 15-year-old exchange student to learn Eng...
- Jun 10, 20261h 10m
On Podcasting as a Research Method with Simone Eringfeld | Ep. 162
What does podcasting offer us? ... Today, Abbie and Simone podcast about podcasting! Inspired by Simone's recently published book- Podcasting as a Research Method- this conversation explores both Abbie and Simone's experiences with podcasting, what they have learned along the way, and why this medium has their hearts. ... Simone Eringfeld is a researcher, polar guide, writer, and podcaster who prefers to maximize her time spent with penguins. She is a PhD researcher in Polar Studies at the Sc...
- May 27, 20261h 7m
On Quantum Social Change with Karen O'Brien | Ep. 161
Are we underestimating our capacity for social change? ... Today, Abbie and Karen discuss quanta, entanglement, and collapsing potential as they explore mattering and social change. ... Karen O’Brien is a Professor of Human Geography at the University of Oslo, Norway. She is also co-founder of cCHANGE, an organisation that supports deep and strategic engagement with transformations to sustainability. Her research on the human and social dimensions of environmental change emphasises integrativ...
About Stories Lived. Stories Told.
The purpose of Coordinated Management of Meaning is to create better social worlds through better communication. This podcast is about empowering all of us in our communication to see ourselves as curious and active participants with the ability to create meaningful change in our relationships and social worlds. Our practice of CMM is about embodying a “communication perspective,” which asks us to “look at communication, rather than through it.” To take a communication perspective is to consider what we’re making and how we’re making it through our communication practices. This means we look at patterns, contexts, stories, and relationships; and that we use curiosity, mindfulness, collaboration, and dialogue to create better social worlds for ourselves. So, join us as we take CMM from theory to practice, engage in collective learning together, and apply a communication perspective to make meaning in our conversations.
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