Kirsten Johnson Podcast

Ep 221 We’ve Been Treating Addiction Backwards with Dee-Dee Stout

August 25, 2026·2h 3m
Episode Description from the Publisher

What if the way we’ve been taught to think about addiction and recovery is actually getting in the way of helping people? In this episode, I sit down with harm reduction pioneer DeeDee Stout to talk about autonomy, moderation, abstinence, AA, treatment, and why meeting people where they are can make the difference.Timestamps: 00:00 Change your drinking intro06:21 S*icide in AA09:09 Unraveling AA beliefs about recovery16:36 How AA became the default20:17 Relapse prevention, harm reduction + abstinence28:22 Addiction treatment w/o abstinence36:00 AA: mainstream recovery narrative + policy46:39 D*ath threats from AA members53:16 Brad Pitt drinking moderately58:14 Thinking about drinking again1:00:00 Bill W was her grand sponsor1:04:24 Getting support w alcohol addiction + moderation1:14:15 S*xual trauma, addiction + recovery1:21:39 Informed consent: addiction recovery + AA1:41:35 A shift in the recovery world1:51:14 Books to help change your drinking1:56:00 Working with Dee-Dee Stout🔥 Free Deprogram Course + leaving AA resources → here🧠 Brain optimization tools → here❤️‍🔥 If you’re ready to stop holding yourself back → hereCome vibe with me:Kirsten's FacebookKirsten's InstagramKirsten's TikTok📱 My content creation setup (camera, mic, lighting, etc.) → here💻 Tools + software I use to run my business and create online → here⚠️ Disclaimer: I’m not a therapist, doctor, or licensed healthcare provider. Everything shared is for educational purposes only and not a substitute for professional care.💖 Some links may be affiliate links. I only share what I genuinely use and love.

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