Shift: A podcast about mobility

Tesla’s Cybercab has a long way to go to beat Waymo

September 20, 2026·28 min
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Mike Nefkens, CEO of HERE Technologies, joins Molly Boigon, tech and innovation reporter at Automotive News, on the “Shift” podcast. Nefkens explains how incumbent map companies such as HERE are competing with big-tech upstarts Google and Apple. Boigon also speaks to Laurence Iliff, who covers Tesla, about what Tesla will have to do to catch up with Waymo in the robotaxi race.

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