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Rushmore Podcast

Doris Kearns Goodwin & Jon Meacham Build the Rushmore of US Non-Presidents

March 13, 2026·45 min
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Welcome to the Rushmore Podcast, where legends join Ari Emanuel and Ben Persky to debate the ultimate Mount Rushmore of any topic.Pulitzer Prize-winning historian Doris Kearns Goodwin & Jon Meacham join the Rushmore table to tackle an impossible question. Which Americans who never held the presidency deserve to be on Mount Rushmore?The conversation spans centuries: Benjamin Franklin's endless curiosity, Frederick Douglass navigating the contradictions of America, Elizabeth Cady Stanton's declaration of sentiments, and Thomas Paine's words that armed a revolution. Then, a heated debate arises over the fourth spot, with names like Walt Whitman, Alexander Hamilton, John Marshall, Thomas Edison, and Jonathan Letterman, a Civil War doctor who forever changed battlefield medicine.Special thanks to Doris Kearns Goodwin & Jon Meacham for joining our Non-Presidents episode.About Rushmore On X:Welcome to Rushmore On X, a show where The GOATs of their industries give their Mount Rushmores (Top 4) of hotly debated topics.Follow Rushmore On X:X (Twitter): https://twitter.com/rushmoreonxInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/rushmoreonx/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@rushmoreonxhttps://open.spotify.com/show/7uFLsuRpmpuyzBSvxbIn14https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/14b85ed9-5e2f-44b5-be87-4995b3c08971/rushmore-podcasthttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rushmore-podcast/id1883112178

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