The Sustainable Frontier: Risk, Value, and the Future with Ellen Holder

In this episode of Risk Is Our Business, Captain Michael Rasmussen welcomes Ellen Holder, Managing Director and Sustainability & ESG Lead EMEA at Protiviti, for a conversation that asks a deceptively simple question. Is sustainability really about reporting, or is it something much bigger? Together they explore how the conversation has evolved from sustainability to ESG, and why many organizations are now shifting back again. Ellen explains that sustainability was never just about the environment. It has always encompassed environmental, social, and governance considerations, but without some of the political baggage the term ESG has accumulated in recent years. The discussion draws on an unexpected lesson from Ted Lasso, where the idea that "doing the right thing is never the wrong thing" becomes a useful way of thinking about sustainability. Rather than treating it as another compliance requirement, Ellen argues that sustainability should be understood as a long-term strategic capability that helps organizations create value not only for today, but for future generations. Michael and Ellen also examine the relationship between sustainability and enterprise risk, the role of double materiality assessments, and the practical challenges organizations face when trying to integrate sustainability into existing governance and risk management programs. They discuss where technology, and particularly AI, is beginning to make a meaningful contribution, and how approaches to sustainability differ between Germany, the rest of Europe, and other regions around the world. At its heart, this episode is about looking beyond quarterly reporting cycles and asking a more fundamental question. How do organizations build resilience and create lasting value by making decisions that remain the right ones tomorrow as well as today?