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Podcasting 2.0 July 24th 2026 Episode 266 - "Research Velocity" Show Notes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 📌 FROM PREP.md — Adam's PC20 items Pod News — podcast app revenue (source for 'cut the apps into the money') Pod News — the ad-skipping player Board Q (Adam): "If you go to another chapter, is that a new play?" — for the AMP play=30s definition. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 00 - DAVE'S WORLD: THE ALTERNATE ENCLOSURE FINALLY GETS PICKED UP + HLS-IN-RSS SURGE <b>Take the lap:</b> Podbean and Buzzsprout are now testing/supporting the <b>alternate enclosure</b> — letting other apps (Pocket Casts, Amazon Music, iHeart, TrueFans) reach the video/alt versions instead of everything vanishing into the Apple-only void. Lead the boardroom with the namespace win. <b>HLS video in RSS is accelerating:</b> @js — "the rate of podcast hosts publishing high-quality video in podcast feeds using HLS has gone up quite a bit, thanks mostly to Transistor and Flightcast." The open path is winning adoption; watch it live. <b>Namespace repo status:</b> attribution bylines merged for the <i>block</i> and <i>alternate enclosure</i> tags (PRs #772/#773). Quiet week on commits — the plumbing is holding. <b>Dave in the wild:</b> on the LLM-vs-tags thread — "A 'weight' is just a form of heuristic. Regression is literally built into the LLM at a fundamental level. Re-weighting a model will always regress other weights." (Continues the on-device-AI vs authored-tags fight from 265.) Also: Hover auto-renews domains 2 days out — @genebean's alert script gets a Dave thumbs-up. HLS-in-RSS tracker (livewire) Dave Winer — distributable is not distributed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BM - FROM THE TIMELINE — podcastindex.social this week (JS & Dave) @js: "the rate of podcast hosts publishing high-quality video in podcast feeds using HLS has gone up quite a bit — thanks mostly to Transistor and Flightcast." (tracker: hls.livewire.io) @js: "Waves of new podcast listeners may exist, but they aren't downloading episodes via RSS, no matter how many podcast apps are being vibe-coded." @js shared Castro's "Podcast apps: a framework for dying" — his read: "well thought-out, but a bit too pessimistic imo — the next few years are going to be interesting." (Steven B: "anyone interested in the PC2.0 namespace read and consider this.") @js on Patreon's "painful update" (Conte, layoffs): "I'd love to know what change Patreon's operational market has undergone in the last six months." @js on the scraping wars: a court ruled aggregated search data (URLs, snippets, index facts) are "publicly accessible facts," not copyrightable — relevant to index/crawler rights. @js (amplifying Dave Winer): "Threads and Bluesky are not distributed. Distributable is not the same as being distributed." @dave: "A 'weight' is just a form of heuristic. Regression is literally built into the LLM at a fundamental level… one slider." — the on-device-abstraction vs authored-tags thread, continued from 265. @dave, namespace repo: merged the block-tag + alternate-enclosure attribution PRs (mid-May); no new commits this week — the action is in adoption, not spec. @csb → @dave @adam: "bros, I've just sent you $15.55 via bitcoin gram and amazingly only one split failed" — boosts still flow on-network (counter to 'streaming sats is over'). @mgdell (Mike Dell): "21 years of podcasting: the thing I don't want us to lose." Mike Dell — 21 years of podcasting Castro — Podcast apps: a framework for dying ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 01 - "WHAT IS A PODCAST?" — THE AMP ACCORDS PUT A FORM
Podcasting 2.0 July 17th 2026 Episode 265 - "Jihobbyist" Slop or Not! Lightning or Frightening! Adam and Dave go deep with the Boardroom after a 2 week break ShowNotes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 00 - PODPING GOSSIP-WRITER → PRODUCTION + INDEX PLUMBING ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 01 - THE OPEN INDEX TURNS UP INSIDE AN AI SCRAPER (SUNO) <b>@js flagged it:</b> a hack at Suno reveals the AI music generator used <b>PodcastIndex</b> to do its targeting — "with the help of an online tool called PodcastIndex, Suno identified 420,000 different podcasts that had at least five 30-minute episodes and sought to download roughly 1 million hours of podcasts." <b>Board question:</b> the Index exists to be "free, for any use" — and here "any use" is an AI company bulk-harvesting a million hours to train on. Is that the deal working as designed, or does anything change? A live test of the open-index ethos. Ties straight to the on-device/namespace fight below and to the spam/AI-slop lane — the same extraction pressure from three directions. Hack reveals Suno scraped via PodcastIndex (404 Media) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 02 - ON-DEVICE AI vs NAMESPACE TAGS — "DIDN'T YOU INVENT THE NAMESPACE?" <b>Your own post set it off:</b> Adam — Apple in talks to run a startup's compressed AI models on-device (PrisMML) — "More fodder for on-device features vs new tags." The core board fight of the week. <b>🎧 CLIPS TO PLAY — a 3-part PNWR sequence (Cridland and Sethi discussing your position; your own SOT is NOT in their show, so play + respond):</b> <b>1. The jab (44.5s):</b> recap of the Car Curious "podcast annotations" (≈ Apple timed links) debate — Nathan Gathright: LLM-from-transcript data stays the purview of players, not publishers; Sam Sethi: "Adam Curry also came in… he sees LLMs as the way for on-device abstraction of data rather than tags. And I'm like — didn't you come up with the namespace?" File: <i>01 - Cridland Sethi - Adam annotations, didnt you invent the namespace - PNWR.mp3</i> <b>2. Sethi's thesis (55s):</b> his actual position — fine, copy Apple, let LLMs do transcripts as a FALLBACK "if you can't be bothered," but if a creator wants to put real data in the feed, respect what the creator wants FIRST. "An LLM is a fancy autocomplete system… I'd much rather the creator is given the opportunity to do something good first." The publisher-vs-LLM argument, self-contained. File: <i>02 - Sethi - an LLM is a fancy autocomplete, creator first - PNWR.mp3</i> <b>3. The Spurlock correction (36s):</b> Sam apologizes for mischaracterizing @js — "I don't think we should leave it up to LLMs at all… but in practice it's going to be the app crawlers that mark shows up using hard work and drive for differentiation, not the publishers themselves." It might not be an AI LLM, but someone still has to mark the metadata up. File: <i>03 - Sethi - Spurlock correction, app crawlers not publishers - PNWR.mp3</i> <b>Ammo for your side:</b> @manton — his daughter's voicemail "Hi dad, this isn't an emergency" was transcribed by Apple as "this is an emergency." Player-side LLM inference is lossy; publisher-authored tags are authoritative. The case for the namespace in one anecdote. Cultural backdrop (@js, Atlantic "The End of Reading"): a postliterate generation that treats reading the source as "arbitrarily withholding information" — if the phone abstracts everything for you, who ever touches the feed? Apple + on-device AI compression (CNBC) The End of Reading Is Here (Atlantic) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 03 - FUNDING NAMESPACE: STREAMING SATS COLLAPSE → APPLE CASH IN podcast:funding? <b>Streaming sats fell off a cliff:</b> PNWR — Sam Sethi says boosts/streaming sats are "down to pretty well zero" in July:
Podcasting 2.0 June 19th 2026 Episode 264 - "Podcast Plebicide" ShowNotes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Justin Jackson's post: We Have A Communication Problem ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 00 - PODPING.ALPHA STABLE + INDEX / PV-ALPHA HYGIENE <b>Milestone:</b> Dave — "I think we can safely say that podping.alpha is stable now. It's been many weeks of 100% uptime." Lead the boardroom with the win. <b>PV-alpha 500s:</b> @mitch + Dave debugging the "get a list of feeds that have updates over the last X" endpoint throwing 500s; @mitch adding a delay between paginated requests in case it's a too-many-requests block. <b>Feed de-listing puzzle:</b> Dave to @ChadF — a feed marked dead with no spam flag; aggregators de-listing it for some other reason. Open question. <b>Iroh 1.0</b> — Dave flagged it: "Dialing keys instead of IP addresses." p2p networking, boardroom catnip — worth a riff with Dave. Discussion: also surface your own snags — Sovereignfeeds webhook "Unknown Error sending to Server" and ladder.podcastindex.org appearing down (to @StevenB / Dave). Iroh 1.0 Release ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 01 - SPAM + AI-SLOP — TOWARD A "SPAM-COP SCORE" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 02 - MEASUREMENT: AMP'S 30-SECOND "PLAY," ROUND TWO AMP defined a "play" as 30 seconds; Spotify immediately adopted it. You and Dave already called 30s "bullshit" last week — push total listen time + percent-completed as the real metrics. <b>The walkback:</b> AMP's original press release said "30 seconds of content played… once per user per session" — and quietly DELETED "once per user per session," leaving a woolier definition. James flagged it on-page with the HTML5 del tag. <b>YouTube is in AMP:</b> Google confirmed YouTube "has been participating in the AMP-led conversations" — implies YouTube uses a 30s play. Apple's stance still unknown. RSS.com test (Alberto): moving the DOWNLOAD threshold 60s to 30s changed totals by ~1% — negligible. So 30s for both plays and downloads is just simpler. <b>The HLS gotcha:</b> playing 10s of an HLS video podcast still downloads ~60-72s, so server logs can't tell real play — only player-side instrumentation (Spotify, future Apple) can. James: it's all too "cloak and dagger." <b>Watch July:</b> AMP's implementation doc is due July and the group is light on technical people — needs to be real technical work, "not a sales press release." Understanding podcast stats (PodNews) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 03 - BEYOND CPM — INDIE + MISSION-DRIVEN ECONOMICS <b>Losh Moodaley ("Beyond CPM"):</b> the indie middle class (5k-25k downloads = only ~1-1.5% of all podcasts) can't survive on CPMs. Roadmap: audience-as-economy, sell exclusivity not inventory, scale outcomes not audiences, "owners of trust, not renters of attention." Pure V4V-adjacent framing — Sam Sethi tied it straight to TrueFans activity-based value (a share or comment is value, not just dollars) and "creator portals." Easy on-ramp to your worldview. <b>Vox Topica (Richard Fall):</b> full-stack agency for nonprofits/mission-driven orgs — speaks engagement/reach/"depth of message," not downloads. Nonprofits resist AI voices (authenticity) but use AI for scripts/cleanup/show notes; now recommends video to ALL clients. Beyond CPM: Surviving the New Measurement Era (PodNews Daily) Vox Topica ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 04 - NUMBERS + MONEY MOVES --------------------
Podcasting 2.0 June 12th 2026 Episode 263 - "Chat is Dead" ShowNotes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DG Editor - Building an idiot proof recording system for Bridge Church ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 00 - THE USER-AGENT WAR — SPOOF vs. SIGN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 01 - THE PODCAST DATA COLLECTIVE (PCDC) — and Pod News reacts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 02 - MEASUREMENT RECKONING — AMP's 30-SECOND "PLAY" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 03 - PODCAST STANDARDS PROJECT vs 2.0 — and Index hygiene ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 04 - APPLE WWDC — VIDEO PODCASTS EVERYWHERE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 05 - AI BUBBLE — FINANCIAL ENGINEERING + LOCAL/EDGE COMPUTE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 06 - INDUSTRY — AD-SKIPPING, AI LIABILITY, GROWTH ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last Modified 06/12/2026 14:21:15 by Freedom Controller
Podcasting 2.0 June 5th 2026 Episode 262 - "Podcleanse" Dave and Adam are joined by John Spurlock and throw a big idea into the boardroom: The Podcast Data Collective Shownotes ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Spurlock - Guest The man behind op3.dev and Livewire.io - From the Great State of New Jersey! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 01 - THE IMPRESSION HEIST — AMP TASK FORCE RATIFIES 4 EXPOSURE DEFINITIONS, NO DISSENTING VOTES Podnews press release Jun 4: <b>AMP Task Force Introduces Cross-Platform Alternative to the Podcast "Download"</b> — "unified impression guidance for audio and video, advancing impression-based measurement as the medium's primary transaction currency." <b>Four exposure definitions ratified</b>. JS Jun 4 quote: "the AMP Task Force ratified a new framework with four exposure definitions, with no dissenting votes." Podcast Play: 30 seconds of content played, audio or video, once per user per session. Podcast Audience: The number of unique users who had a Podcast Play. Ad Impression: A commercial begins playing for the user. Ad Audience: The number of users exposed to an Ad Impression. <b>They wanted to 'hasten the demand'</b> Backstory: AMP first emerged May 29 (Podnews) — same day PC20-261 aired — "to confront podcasting's measurement dilemma." <b>@dave reaction</b> Jun 4 16:12: "RE: [Podnews AMP story] More secretive, back room podcast 'industry' nonsense." <b>PNWR Jun 5 confirms the cabal-composition critique</b> — James and Sam open the show debating AMP. James: "they also want to define what an impression is" + "we don't have a definition of podcast." Sam: "I don't think podcasting is [defined], we can measure consumption." <b>PNWR catches the gaps</b> [0:09:00-0:09:30]: "Spotify yes, Acast no, Art19 missing… Apple is already doing that. Apple is already being cut [out]." Same observation @dave made — who's in the room and who isn't. <b>@js replies @dave on AMP</b> Jun 4: "@dave Dave there were no dissenting votes" — Mastodon-thread confirmation that JS + Dave are on the same page about the consensus-by-cabal red flag. Discussion: V4V counter-thesis — No Agenda is value-for-value (no impressions, no exposures). Open standards vs industry cabals. PNWR is independent-podcaster-aligned; AMP is platform-aligned. Podnews AMP Jun 4 press release Podnews AMP origin May 29 @dave Jun 4 reaction post JS Jun 4 quote post PNWR this week (Pod News Weekly Review) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 02 - THE OPEN COUNTERPART — PODCAST INDEX ISSUE #775 (PNWR + @DAVE BOTH ON IT) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 03 - THE WHY BEHIND IMPRESSIONS — "THE FIRST FOUR AND A HALF MINUTES" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 04 - THE PODCASTING 2.0 DATA COLLECTIVE — THE OPEN ANSWER TO AMP <b>The Podcasting 2.0 Data Collective</b> — the open, V4V-aligned answer to the AMP cabal. Not a consortium with ratified definitions and trade-press releases. A collective of open tools and honest sentinels: OP3 for analytics, Podverse + newpodcasts.net for corpus data, Podcast Index for the namespace, Issue #775 for client identification done right. <b>Matthew 5:6</b> (KJV): "Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." The verse that frames the work. Open data, transparent measurement, value-for-value — righteousness in podcast governance. Those who hunger for it are the ones who'll be filled. The AMP cabal trades righteousness for an ad-tech seat at the table; the Data Collective just keeps the lights on. <b>THE CHARTE
Podcasting 2.0 May 29th 2026 Episode 261 - "Podhemian Grove" Podcasting 2.0 May 29th 2026 Episode 261 - "Podhemian Grove" Mike Dell joined the board room to help Adam and Dave with the solution to the Secret Pdcast Group's Problems. Download the mp3 Podcast Feed PodcastIndex.org Preservepodcasting.com Check out the podcasting 2.0 apps and services newpodcastapps.com <i>Support us with your Time Talent and Treasure</i> Show Notes ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 01 - ALLIANCE FOR MEASUREMENT IN PODCASTING — Podnews press release this morning: Alliance for Measurement in Podcasting (AMP) launches. Industry consortium for podcast measurement standards. Dave reblog with snark (May 29): "They want better app metrics for their ad-tech but the only 'app' in their council is Spotify. 😆 There's a right way to do this IMO, but this is not it." Discussion: measurement standards written by/for ad-tech — what would Dave's "right way" look like? Podcast Index neutrality vs industry-coalition co-opting. Podnews AMP press release Dave's reblog ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 02 - SPOTIFY INVESTOR DAY — CREATOR MEMBERSHIPS (PATREON KILLER) + CLIPS + AGENTIC AI ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 03 - BIPOC PODCAST CREATORS CLOSES — DEI FUNDING COLLAPSE → COMMUNITY ORG OFFLINE BIPOC Podcast Creators (American podcast org for Black/Indigenous/People of Color creators) closes. PNWR interviews the co-founders 00:27:00 → 00:43:00. Co-founder reflection: "the beginning of our podcast careers… feeling really…" DEI funding pulled by new government : "we started to see a decline in the investment." Direct call to platforms : "What is Spotify going to do? What is Apple, you…" Legacy framing (00:39:00, 00:40:30): "You two created the first and the largest…" / "We made a mark in the history of this industry." Discussion: DEI-funding-collapse → community-org-closure pattern. Platforms' responsibility to creator communities they don't host. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 04 - DAVE'S PACKAGE-MANAGER-SUPPLY-CHAIN-ATTACKS RIFF — "OSS WEAPONIZED BY AI" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 05 - LEO EMBRACES PODCASTING 2.0 — MAGIC CHAPTERS FOR CLUB TWIT MEMBERS Drebscott observation May 28: Leo has finally embraced Podcasting 2.0 — added podcast: tags to TWiT shows. Paid Club TWiT members get chapters and don't get the funding tag. Paid Members get podcast:chapters; others get free podcast:funding. Dave (May 28 multiple posts): "I noticed it too. It makes me feel valued as a TWiT club subscriber. Having chapters makes my WW and SN listening so much more enjoyable. I'm very thankful for it." Dave: "I wanted to use magic chapters in my Castamatic but my iPhone 13 doesn't support the needed APIs. And, like you, I was pleasantly surprised when one day they showed up!" Nathan working on podcast:image support for Podlink — asking for feed examples that already support it (May 28). Discussion: differentiated namespace use by membership tier — clever segmentation. Compare to Spotify Creator Memberships (above) — Leo's RSS-native paywall vs Spotify's on-platform paywall. Drebscott observation <a href="ht
Podcasting 2.0 May 15th 2026 Episode 260 - "Tennessee Trickshot" Podcasting 2.0 May 15th 2026 Episode 260 - "Tennessee Trickshot" Adam & Dave Predict The Winter. That's all you need to know! Download the mp3 Synopsis Podcast Feed PodcastIndex.org Preservepodcasting.com Check out the podcasting 2.0 apps and services newpodcastapps.com Support us with your Time Talent and Treasure ShowNotes ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 01 - NGINX Rift: Achieving NGINX Remote Code Execution via an 18-Year-Old Vulnerability ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 02 - ROB GREENLEE'S LLM-GHOSTWRITTEN "FRINGE REGRET" RETRACTION (folder: 06 Rob-Greenlee-Fringe) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 03 - The DGX Spark Donated by RSS.com Aesus DB10 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 04 - POD ROLL ATLAS @ atlas.rss.io — DAVE'S /datasets PAGE SHIPS, ALBERTO BUILDS THE POSTER CHILD (folder: 02 Pod-Roll-Atlas) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 05 - DAVE'S SPAM CLASSIFIER SHIPPING WEEK + THE "AISTEN"/"RAPIDLU" BOT WAR (folder: 08 Dave-Spam-Bot-War) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 06 - AI SLOP LANDS ON SPOTIFY MEGAPHONE WITH ZERO DISCLOSURE (folder: 04 AI-Slop-Megaphone) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 07 - JOHN ENNIS "HEAVEN AND EARTH" — THE RALPH-WIGGUM LOOP THESIS ON LLMs + DAVE'S CODING-AGENT CONFESSIONAL (folder: 05 Ennis-Heaven-Earth) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 08 - HLS VIDEO TIPPING POINT — AMAZON MUSIC + SPOTIFY MEGAPHONE BOTH JOIN APPLE'S HLS IN A SINGLE WEEK (folder: 07 HLS-Video-Tipping-Point) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 09 - UP NEXT — HOLGER KRUPP'S MIT-LICENSED SERVERLESS iOS PODCAST APP (folder: 03 Up-Next-App) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sources Last Modified 05/15/2026 14:35:52 by Freedom Controller
Podcasting 2.0 May 1st 2026 Episode 259 - "SlopJacked" Dave ships first-party data at the app level - the new /upload/followcounts endpoint changes everything. Plus the podcast:contact; proposal, RSS.com's Alberto Betella on AI disclosure as enforcement substrate Download the mp3 Podcast Feed PodcastIndex.org Preservepodcasting.com Check out the podcasting 2.0 apps and services newpodcastapps.com Support us with your Time Talent and Treasure ShowNotes ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bloomberg article we discussed about podslop, featuring the chicken guy from Alabama ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 01 - DAVE SHIPS /upload/followcounts — FIRST-PARTY DATA AT THE APP LEVEL (folder: 01 Dave-Ships-Followcounts) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 02 - <podcast:contact> NAMESPACE PROPOSAL (folder: 02 Contact-Namespace) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 03 - ALBERTO BETELLA (RSS.com CEO) — AI DISCLOSURE TAG AS ENFORCEMENT SUBSTRATE (folder: 03 Alberto-RSS-AI-Disclosure) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 04 - TUCSON DENTAL CARE SEO SPAM PODCAST CLEANUP (folder: 04 Tucson-Dental-SEO-Spam) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 05 - AI HARDWARE CRUNCH — $65 BILLION US POWER EQUIPMENT BOOM (folder: 05 AI-Hardware-Crunch) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 06 - ANTHROPIC + AI PRICING FOLLOW-UP (folder: 06 Anthropic-AI-Pricing) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 07 - ROBLOX TANKS 18% ON CHILD SAFETY MEASURES (folder: 07 Roblox-Child-Safety) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 08 - BOARDROOM NEWS BITES (folder: 08 Boardroom-News-Bites) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clip Sources Last Modified 05/01/2026 14:18:38 by Freedom Controller
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