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How Trump Dismantled the Department of Justice with Carol Leonnig

November 6, 2025·56 min·6-min readinterviewpolitics
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The Justice Department, once a bulwark of impartial law enforcement, has been systematically dismantled under Donald Trump’s second administration, with Attorney General Pam Bondi weaponizing it to target political enemies and shield allies. This erosion, however, began during Trump’s fir

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Carol Leonnig

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Carol Leonnigby Carol Leonnig and Aaron DavisKara SwisherDonald TrumpPam BondiMerrick GarlandJack SmithChris WrayWaleska McClellanJ.P. CooneyJonathan Cantor

Books

Injustice: How Politics and Fear Vanquished America's Justice Departmentby Carol Leonnig and Aaron Davis

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AuthoritarianismCriminal JusticeDemocracyElectionsInvestigative JournalismLong Form JournalismSupreme CourtUs Politics

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