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Right after the Lord’s Supper and Gethsemane, the betrayal happens and it’s bigger than most people imagine. In Mark 14:43–52, Judas arrives with a crowd carrying swords and clubs. His “sign” isn’t a weapon, it’s a kiss. Peter responds as the kingdoms of this world do: he draws his sword. And then, when things get real, everyone runs. In this episode, Zach and Jill unpack how both betrayals: Judas’ cynical kiss and Peter’s zealous violence, miss the way of the Kingdom. In the end, Christ is the only one left standing, and He walks the road to the cross alone. Not because the plan failed, but because this is how salvation is accomplished.
Max and Annabel are in town, and it’s wedding week! In this conversation, Zach and Jill sit down with them to talk about what it actually feels like to step into a lifelong covenant at 19 and 20, why modern culture discourages marriage, and why they believe covenant is still one of the most beautiful, grounding gifts God gave humanity. It’s funny, honest, and deeply hopeful: especially for young couples trying to build something real in a culture that keeps people perpetually “uncommitted.”
A break from the usual, Zach and Jill sit down with two of their longtime mentors and friends, Mac and Mary Owens (Global Directors of Celebrate Recovery). It’s a raw, powerful conversation about the cost of secrecy, the freedom of confession, and how God can take the darkest parts of a story and turn them into the DNA of a movement that blesses generations. If you’re stuck in the shame cycle, hiding, or convinced you’re too far gone, this episode is a reminder that the gospel runs straight toward the broken, and healing begins when you step into the light.
Today Zach & Jill visit one of the most human, and most holy, moments in the Gospel of Mark. In Mark 14:26–42, Jesus leaves the table, returns to the Mount of Olives, and enters Gethsemane. He tells the disciples they will all fall away. Peter insists he never will. And then Jesus does the unthinkable: He falls to the ground and prays for the cup to pass, while choosing the Father’s will anyway.
Brandon’s back, just in time for one of the most important meals in Scripture where Jesus sits down with the disciples for Passover. Zach, Jill, and Brandon discuss why meals are everywhere in the Bible (from Eden to Exodus to the King’s table), and why communion isn’t just a “symbol” or a routine, it’s a weekly entrance into the story that forms our loves, confronts our pride, and binds us to one another as the body of Christ.
Mark 14 opens with a dark cloud: the leaders are plotting in secret, Judas is looking for an opportunity, and Jesus is days away from the cross. But right in the middle of it, a woman walks into a dinner and does something that looks reckless—an act that ends up becoming one of the most prophetic in the entire Gospel. In this episode, Zach and Jill walk through Mark 14 and show why this isn’t just “sentimental devotion.” Mary pours out what amounts to a year’s wages—likely a family heirloom, possibly their security—and Jesus calls it beautiful because it’s preparing Him for burial.
Jill has almost no voice, and Brandon is out. Zach and Jill finish Mark 13 with one of the most discussed moments in the Gospels. They read Mark 13:24–37 and ask the big question: Is Jesus describing a future headline event, or is He pulling from Old Testament “apocalyptic” language and pointing to something the disciples would recognize—especially through Daniel 7? They pull the discussion to the ultimate not-yet now hope: Jesus is coming back, and while the Kingdom is still to come, it's also happening right now and we need to live like it.
Mark 13 has been turned into a hotbed for end-times debates for decades—but Jesus’ warning is far more grounded, far more urgent, and far more hopeful than most people realize. In this episode, Zach, Jill, and Brandon continue through Mark 13:14–23 and tackle one of the most debated sections in Scripture—not as an end-times scavenger hunt, but in the immediate context of Jesus’ warning about Jerusalem and the temple. From there, they zoom out to the bigger framework: the New Testament doesn’t treat “antichrist” like a single future superhero villain as much as a spirit that resists the incarnate Jesus and tries to pull faith back into fear, scapegoating, and speculation. The point isn’t panic—it’s participation. The temple in Jerusalem could be torn down, but the Kingdom can’t.
Welcome to Not Yet Now, a podcast where we explore the tension of living in the "already, not yet" reality of God's kingdom. Together, we'll dive into how Christ's reign is breaking into our world today, even as we long for its complete fulfillment. Join us as we reflect on how this dynamic shapes our culture, our lives, and our calling to live in the light of the kingdom that is both here and still to come.
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