Nonprofits Are Messy: Lessons in Leadership | Fundraising | Board Development | Communications

Ep 258: Burn on vs. Burnout: A Conversation With Jim Collins About What Matters in Life

August 1, 2026·50 min
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What if the goal isn’t simply to avoid burnout, but to learn how to burn on? Jim Collins joins Joan Garry to explore why some leaders stay energized for decades, what it means to stay “in frame,” and how to build a life around what matters most.

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