Mystery makes meaning: Greg Bishop and Josh Cutchin on the transformational power of the UFO enigma

On this episode, I sit down with Greg Bishop and Joshua Cutchin to discuss the UFO phenomenon, non-human intelligence, and the tendency of these subjects to have a great psychic impact on researchers and percipients.Cutchin is an author, folklorist and musician whose work in recent years has earned great acclaim for its insight, breadth, and power.Bishop is a researcher, podcaster, and art historian. His book, Project Beta, is considered one of the foundational texts on the power of government influence around UFOs to wreck lives and sow confusion.We discuss their perspectives on the current moment in ufology, whether government information is to be believed, then pivot to how witnessing a UFO can change lives and seems to represent a fundamental linkage between psyche and cosmos. We explore how different phenomena get brought together for analysis and discussion, and the risk that methodology poses for narrative flattening and category collapse. Bishop in particular argues that each researcher should engage with the material to find their own meaningful way through, and resist the urge to find their own right answer. Given the complexity of the phenomenon, such definitive solutions are often traps.We also explore the connections between UFOs and the occult, as well as the ontological position they’ve taken up after years of research.To find and buy Joshua Cutchin’s books, and learn more about his work: www.joshuacutchin.comTo buy Bishop’s books:https://www.amazon.com/stores/Greg-Bishop/author/B001IYZF3E?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1&qid=1783551596&sr=8-1&shoppingPortalEnabled=trueAlso, to listen to Bishop’s previous podcast episodes and radio shows, or to follow his upcoming podcast relaunch:www.radiomisterioso.comTo inquire about the purchase of the UFO tarot deck:ufologytarot@gmail.com————Music Credits:Music: Cinematic Logo 04 by TaigaSoundProdFree download: https://filmmusic.io/song/8221-cinematic-logo-04Licensed under CC BY 4.0: https://filmmusic.io/standard-licenseMusic: Technology Calm Logo 01 by TaigaSoundProdFree download: https://filmmusic.io/song/6660-technology-calm-logo-01Licensed under CC BY 4.0: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license---Please don’t forget to like and subscribe. On X:@jfrickingfaulk