#45 AI sceptics and the boomers who want to save independent music

MERCH DROP! Support the podcast with a purchase from our new line of awesome merch. Tees, hoodies, water bottles... etc! Cheap worldwide shipping! Visit the store here: hotflushrecordings.com/shop--This week on Music Not Diving we decouple from the Youtube feed and get into the ongoing debate around AI. Sceptics like Ed Zitron have come to prominence with their doubts about the viability of business models of the big AI firms, but in music Suno is busily destroying artistry and the effect of the general LLMs has upended other bits of the industry too.So what does this all mean?And we also learn about the ceiling of the Rolls Royce Phantom and what that might mean for vintage mix consoles.Bob Lefsetz piece on the Indie Alliance: lefsetz.com/wordpress/2026/03/31/the-indie-alliance/Shawn's referenced piece: firstfloor.substack.com/p/the-majors-are-ushering-in-an-eraTed Gioia referenced piece: www.honest-broker.com/p/four-steps-to-hell--Listen to the Not A Diving Club radio show: https://soundcloud.com/swufm/scuba-not-a-diving-club-14-1You can now discuss the show on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MusicNotDiving/If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist00:00 Intro02:00 Future of the pod06:50 The Indie Alliance12:30 Major labels and AI15:00 AI scepticism20:17 New Suno model29:20 Rolls Royce and music Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.