725 // Do Missing People Really Vanish Into Caves & Abandoned Mines?

In this new episode, ⁠Crawlspace Media⁠'s Tim Pilleri and Lance Reenstierna discuss the possibility of a missing person having vanished in a cave or abandoned mine in the continental United States. Across the American wilderness lie hundreds of thousands of hidden subterranean hazards, from rotting false floors in forgotten mine shafts to deceptive pit caves off the beaten path. In this episode, we dive into the chilling statistics, examine high-profile missing persons cases like Kenny Veach and Jared Negrete, and explore what really happens when the backcountry opens beneath your feet. Check out Quince: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://quince.com/MISSING⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Check out Vinted: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.vinted.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Main podcast theme by Kevin Macleod. Check out his work at⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://incompetech.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Additional music by David Williams. See his work at⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠http://williamsflutes.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Follow Missing: IG: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/MissingCSM/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. TT:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.tiktok.com/@crawlspacepodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Youtube:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/missingcsm⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. FB:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.facebook.com/MissingCSM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. X:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://twitter.com/MissingCSM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Spotify:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://open.spotify.com/show/0yRXkJrZC85otfT7oXMcri⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Apple:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/missing/id1006974447⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Sources: https://www.blm.gov/sites/default/files/uploads/AML_PUB_DecadeProgress.pdf https://www.msha.gov/news-media/special-initiatives/2015/09/24/stay-out-stay-alive https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/Merit_Badge_ReqandRes/Pamphlets/Mining%20in%20Society.pdf https://www.blm.gov/sites/default/files/uploads/AML_PUB_NewLegacy.pdf https://elevennorth.us/rockhounding-with-kids-family-guide/ https://www.conservation.ca.gov/dmr/publications/Documents/Abandoned%20Mine%20Lands%20FAQs.pdf https://nepis.epa.gov/Exe/ZyPURL.cgi?Dockey=P100QGUE.TXT https://www.reddit.com/r/TheForgottenDepths/comments/1hvkv17/how_unsafe_is_this_hobby_actually/ https://coloradosun.com/2025/11/24/abandoned-mines-colorado-ouray-hiker-death/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_caving_fatalities https://startcaving.com/caving-guides/safety https://caves.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/September_05_ACA0203-1.pdf https://www.safeminers.com/2011/05/ https://beta.dol.gov/news-events/blog/stay-out-stay-alive-active-and-abandoned-mine-sites-are-dangerous-potentially-fatal https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22704081/ https://www.msha.gov/news-and-updates/alerts-hazards/filter/stay-out-abandoned-mines-safety-alert https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Kenny_Veach https://www.ouraynews.com/2025/10/22/womans-body-found-mine-shaft/ https://travelnevada.com/nevada-magazine/m-cave-and-the-unexplained-disappearance-of-kenny-veach/ https://www.reddit.com/r/mystery/comments/1tbi0q0/kenny_veach/ https://www.facebook.com/HLN/videos/kenny-veach-m-cave-mystery/363991152160234/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HighStrangeness/comments/1kt2oaa/the_mysterious_m_cave_and_the_strange/ https://www.denvergazette.com/tag/hiker-death/ https://www.ksl.com/article/news/utah/family-questioning-decision-not-to-recover-mans-body-from-mine/14609230 https://beta.dol.gov/news-events/blog/category/mining https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GOVPUB-L38-PURL-LPS71159/pdf/GOVPUB-L38-PURL-LPS71159.pdf Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices