
Episode 116: In this conversation, Kate sits down with John Seabrook, author of The Spinach King: The Rise and Fall of an American Dynasty, to explore the intersection of farming, family history and intergenerational trauma, and the evolution of the agricultural industry. John shares insights from his family's farming legacy, discussing the transformation from traditional farming to mechanization and industrialization. The dialogue delves into labor, farming, class, legacy, industrialization, and more—a historical conversation that highlights the complexities and challenges faced by the agricultural sector today.Kate and John also explore the complexities of family dynamics, brand identity, and the expectations placed upon him by his family legacy. He reflects on the blurred lines between the real family and the branded image they created, the impact of generational trauma, and the challenges of reconciling his family's history with the truth. They also touch on the mythologizing of the American dream, ultimately asking what we do with narratives that we’ve inherited, and how to tell new stories for the living. Find John:The Spinach King: The Rise and Fall of an American DynastyWebsiteInstagram: @jmseabrookX: @jmseabrookRelated Episodes:Episode 86: Nicola Twilley and the history of the cold chain and refrigerationEpisode 72: Ben Goldfarb talking about how building roads changed AmericaEpisode 75: Cole Mannix on intergenerational farming Episode 108: Alice Driver on immigrant workers in modern poultry processingEpisode 88: Steven Kurutz on the legacy of American manufacturing Episode 104: Will Bardenwerper on how baseball builds communitiesSupport Kate: PatreonSubstackPayPal-Leave a One Time TipAffiliates:REDMOND REAL SALT: Use code MINDBODYSOIL_15 for 15% off at Redmond.lifeFIELD COMPANY CAST IRON: fieldcompany.com/kate_kavanaughBAHÉ FOOTWEAR: Use the code ‘Kate10’...
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