Loving You: The Untold Sondheim

You Could Drive A Person Crazy | Sondheim: Intimidating & Prickly?

April 23, 2026·1h 6m
Episode Description from the Publisher

The world views Steve as an icon – and to many an icon is 'intimidating'. Steve’s presence and reputation seemed to bring theatrical giants to their knees ... but was this label as a scary intellectual really warranted? Join Sondheim’s chum Martin Milnes and Steve’s first love Peter E. Jones for a unique investigation. With the aid of a glittering cast – including Patti LuPone, Mia Farrow, Christine Baranski, Maria Friedman, Adam Guettel, Ronan Farrow and Dame Judi Dench – can Martin and PJ solve the Sondheim mysteries which for decades have baffled and been misunderstood? “His being socially uncomfortable would read to people as if he was mean, or off-putting. It was never that. He just wasn’t a mean guy. The most talented people are the least mean.” – Adam GuettelWhy did Steve object to Mia’s striped socks? How did Christine overcome her fear of singing in front of Steve? And what answers can PJ provide Patti about her bumpy moments with Sondheim ‘The Genius’? “But can I just tell you one thing, now that Steve has passed, that has people laughing their ass off?” – Patti LuPoneCHAPTERS:00:00 Christine Baranski: ‘That’s what it meant to me’05:06 ‘Intimidating’ & ‘Prickly’: Debating The Myth11:25 Andre, Maria & Frank: Understanding Steve17:31 The Cocktail Party & Adam’s Callers22:53 Steve & Mary and Mia’s Socks26:22 Rivalries: Menotti, Lenny and Gilbert30:43 Introducing Laurence Guittard32:08 Steve & Larry: ‘An unanswerable question’43:57 In Praise of ‘Winterset’ 49:24 Patti LuPone: ‘Steve Sondheim is yelling at me!’1:00:26 A Black Onyx Heart: Our Investigation Concludes Subscribe to Loving You: The Untold Sondheim on Apple and all good podcast apps to get every episode the moment it is released.  SUPPORT THE SHOW:► SUBSCRIBE to Loving You: The Untold Sondheim in your podcast app and be sure to get every episode the moment it is released.► RATE & REVIEW Leave a review in your podcast app and tell other Sondheim fans why they should listen.► SHARE Don't keep it to yourself! Share Loving You: The Untold Sondheim with other Sondheim fans you know.► FOLLOW Loving You: The Untold Sondheim on Instagram. CREDITSHosts and Producers: Martin Milnes and Peter E. JonesExecutive Producer: Jason CaffreyProduced in partnership with: Creative Kin Mixing and Mastering: Chris Traves Directed, Devised and Written by Martin Milnes CAST AND VOICE ACTORSDame Judi Dench, Yeukayi Ushe, Melissa Redman, Jonny-James Kajoba, Sarah Simmons, Ann Wakefield, Jonathan Christopher, Rebecca Ridout, James Gower-Smith, Mehran James McCullough.DRAMATIC RE-ENACTMENTSWritten by: Martin MilnesProduced by: Peter E. Jones MUSIC AND SCOREOriginal Score Composed by: Peter E. Jones Music and Lyrics of Stephen Sondheim: Courtesy of The Stephen Sondheim TrustSondheim Instrumental Tracks: Provided by Broadway Studio OrchestraMusic of Stephen Sondheim: Played by Colm Molloy‘Well, Did You Evah?’ (Porter) and ‘Isn’t It Romantic?’ (Rodgers & Hart): Played by Steve RossFEATURED SONGS & VOCAL PERFORMANCES‘Everybody Wants To Do A Musical’ (Strouse & Maltby): Sung by Christine Baranski‘Celebration’ (Schmidt & Jones): Sung by Keith Charles‘Teresa! Oh, Little Word So Glibly Spoken’ from The Mountebanks (Gilbert & Guittard): Sung by Martin Milnes, produced by Chris Traves, with Musical Direction by Gareth Valentine‘Love Duet’ from Winterset (Guittard): Sung by Rebecca Pitcher and Chad Johnson, with Musical Direction by Jack Lee and piano accompaniment by Jean Browne

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