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by Kara Miller
"It Turns Out" reveals the hidden realities reshaping our world—from how marriage impacts inequality to the way that the tax code has transformed wealth.Through conversations with experts who challenge conventional wisdom, award-winning journalist Kara Miller focuses each episode on groundbreaking research, changing how listeners see society, economics, technology, and human behavior. “It Turns Out” delves into data that directly impacts your life—whether you know it or not.You can reach us at info@itturnsoutshow.comWe gratefully acknowledge the support of the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation. This work was done under Grant No. G-2025-79141.
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- 4 days ago43 min
Bosses ordered people back to work. Where are they?
Despite endless corporate press releases and return-to-office mandates, the data reveals a surprising truth: the number of days worked from home has remained completely flat since 2023.Stanford economist Nick Bloom tells Kara what's going on, who's missing, and what the future holds. He also explains how work is impacting mental health, productivity, real estate prices, young workers, and - if you can believe it - fertility.In the show, we reference our show on "Should Americans have more kids?." You can find it here.You can subscribe to our Substack here.Did you know you can also watch the show? Subscribe to the show on YouTube!
- 2 weeks ago34 min
How do you get rich in America? Not the way you think.
There's a big spotlight - and a lot of resistance to - billionaires, from Elon Musk to Larry Ellison. But we’re missing an under-the-radar revolution in American wealth.The country is minting far more multimillionaires than it used to: People who make money in ways you might never think about, in amounts you can barely dream of. And these folks tend to be anonymous - but incredibly influential - urging politicians to shift the tax burden away from them. Will that pull the ladder up for the next generation?Princeton’s Owen Zidar, co-author of the new book The Everywhere Millionaire, joins Kara to talk about what we miss about wealth in America (plus, renting out Versailles for your wedding).Subscribe to our newsletter on Substack for more about this show - and every show.Did you know you can also watch the show? Subscribe to the show on YouTube!
- Aug 21, 202637 min
How the rich escaped taxation. Ray Madoff’s argument, revisited.
Over the last 40 years, many of the wealthiest Americans have effectively seceded from taxation.While regular Americans - from teachers to surgeons - often pay between 25 and 50% of their income in taxes, lots of billionaires pay 5% (or less) in taxes each year. And their heirs can inherit fortunes tax free.How have we let this happen? And why don't more people know about it?Boston College scholar Ray Madoff - author of The Second Estate - talks about what's going on.Did you know you can also watch the show? Subscribe to the show on YouTube!Subscribe to our newsletter on Substack!
- Aug 7, 202644 min
How marriage divides us. Melissa Kearney’s case, revisited
Why do affluent suburbs in Boston and Houston vote completely differently, yet share one surprising thing in common? Economist Melissa Kearney, author of The Two-Parent Privilege, reveals that one of America's most consequential divides isn't about red states versus blue states. It's about whether you're raising kids with a partner, and the economic advantages are stark and surprising. Subscribe to our newsletter on Substack, for more on Kearney and her work.Did you know you can also watch the show? Subscribe to the show on YouTube!
- Jul 24, 202639 min
How to extend life - and where the science stands
What do scientists know about how to live longer - and maximize the number of years that you're healthy? Princeton molecular biologist Coleen Murphy explains what you can do now, which pharmaceutical is having an unexpected effect on longevity, and why the next few years are so promising. Murphy also talks about the science of predicting how long we'll live. But she has deep concerns about the Trump administration's cuts to the National Institutes of Health, and how those cuts will set back longevity research. Which may mean that the next big breakthrough comes from China.Did you know you can also watch the show? Subscribe to the show on YouTube!Sign up for our Substack!
- Jul 10, 202638 min
Miami, Mamdani, and the War over Wealth
Are the ultra-wealthy playing a high-stakes game of dodgeball with American cities? As states float the idea of heavy wealth taxes, billionaires are increasingly moving their addresses—and their yachts—to tax havens like Miami. But does this wealth migration spell doom for blue cities?In this episode of It Turns Out, Kara sits down with renowned urban scholar Richard Florida to decode the new geography of extreme wealth. And Florida explains why politicians like NYC Mayor Zohran Mamdani - who famously picked a fight with billionaire Ken Griffin - may herald a new progressivism, an era in which the pendulum swings against the Trumpian embrace of mega fortunes.Did you know you can also watch the show? Subscribe to the show on YouTube!Subscribe to our Substack!
- Jun 26, 202639 min
Why have kids left public school?
Since 2020, more than a million kids have left American public schools. Meanwhile, enrollment in private schools and homeschooling has risen. What's going on? Have parents lost faith in public schools? And which sorts of kids are most likely to leave?Kara speaks with Thomas Dee, a professor at Stanford Graduate School of Education, who has tracked students' movement out of public schools. How do fights over advanced math - and challenging content - affect schools' ability to retain students? How will a fast-growing school choice movement further reshape schools?Did you know you can also watch the show? Subscribe to the show on YouTube!Subscribe to our Substack!
- Jun 12, 202635 min
Longevity: What we get wrong
For two decades, the global phenomenon of "Blue Zones" has shaped how we eat, live, and invest in our health. But what if the data behind these longevity hotspots doesn't quite stack up?In this episode of It Turns Out, Kara Miller sits down with Dr. Saul Justin Newman, a senior research fellow at Oxford and University College London and author of Morbid (MIT Press).Dr. Newman exposes the staggering reality behind world-famous longevity claims—from pension fraud and missing records that inflated centenarian counts in Japan, Greece, and Italy, to the commercial conflicts driving the industry. Tune in as we talk about purple sweet potatoes and anti-aging supplements to reveal what medical science actually says about living a longer, healthier life.Did you know you can also watch the show? Subscribe to the show on YouTube!Sign up for our newsletter on Substack!
About It Turns Out
"It Turns Out" reveals the hidden realities reshaping our world—from how marriage impacts inequality to the way that the tax code has transformed wealth.Through conversations with experts who challenge conventional wisdom, award-winning journalist Kara Miller focuses each episode on groundbreaking research, changing how listeners see society, economics, technology, and human behavior. “It Turns Out” delves into data that directly impacts your life—whether you know it or not.You can reach us at info@itturnsoutshow.comWe gratefully acknowledge the support of the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation. This work was done under Grant No. G-2025-79141.
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