INSIDE AND OUTSIDE: Nature + Pop Culture News with Jessica Murnane

Is Loving Nature Genetic? + How To Find A New Internet with Laura Wright (author and creator of The First Mess)

October 1, 2026·48 min
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In this episode, we discuss the debate around biophilia / a love of nature – is it an innate attraction, is it in our genes, or are we just othering nature altogether? Then we move inside and talk about the death of the (fun) internet scroll, how Google is slowly killing businesses, how to stay curious, building your own internets, and going offline to find out what you actually like again. About this week's guest: Laura Wright is the founder of The First Mess, a blog for plant-based recipe inspiration as well as a of cookbook of the same name. Laura enjoys taking on way too many projects in the garden, hiking with her dogs, working on a weekly feel-good newsletter, dilly dallying, and doing pretty much any offline activity. Show notes! This week's sponsor: Basker Garden Club Sign up for the Inside + Outside newsletter Laura's: Website: The First Mess Newsletter Book: The First MessIG Things We Talked About: Is Love Of Nature in Our Genes via Psychology Today The Biophilia Reactivity Hypothesis The Bilophilia Hypothesis The End of Google Search and The Internet As We Know It via The Ringer by Katie Baker Ways of Listening: Building a Deeper Relationship with Music in the Streaming Era by Rollie Pemberton

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