
with Ben Martin, VP of HR Strategy and Workforce Planning at CengageAn ops lead spends a year building the case management infrastructure a VP now uses to justify cutting a manager training budget — except the dashboard doesn't capture the side-channel complaints that would tell a different story. The data isn't wrong. It's just incomplete, and nobody in the room knows that but him. Ben Martin gets into what you actually do in that moment, and how HR ends up here in the first place.What you'll hear in this episode:Why a VP quoting your dashboard in a QBR is a win worth protecting, even when what they're saying is wrongThe difference between handing someone a dashboard and actually managing the change around itWhy data needs a "so what" attached before it ever reaches a leadership meeting — and whose job that isWhere AI genuinely helps pull signal out of Slack messages and hallway conversations, and where it shouldn't touch that data at allWhy there's no such thing as a system that captures everything, and what that means for how you talk about your own blind spotsThe case for not correcting a VP in the room — and what to do with that information insteadAbout Ben Martin:Ben is VP of HR Strategy and Workforce Planning at Cengage, where he leads a team focused on turning workforce data into decisions leaders can actually act on. He's spent his career at the intersection of HR analytics and business strategy, with a clear-eyed view of what dashboards are good for and where human judgment still has to do the real work.
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