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Welcome to the Grow Your Camp Podcast: 'Cause You Can't Minister to Empty BedsWhere we share stories and systems to help camps grow.Hosts:Mark P. Fisher, of Inspiring GrowthCarl Lefever, of Improve & GrowOverview:Most camp directors didn't sign up to be marketers. They signed up because they know what happens to a kid who spends a week away from everything — and they wanted to be part of it. But empty beds are a real problem, and figuring out how to fill them, fund the mission, and still lead well is work nobody really prepared you for.The Grow Your Camp Podcast exists for that director. Every episode opens with one tactic you can use this week — then goes deeper with a real camp leader who's already solved the problem you're sitting with. Real numbers. Real stories. The systems behind the growth.This is what it sounds like when the mission gets to grow.Key Themes:Filling the Calendar: Strategies and real-world examples of how retreat and camp leaders increase bookings and reduce seasonal gaps. Topics might include: lead generation systems, improving inquiry response times, pricing strategy, market positioning, capacity management, and off-season marketing approaches.Marketing that Feels Like Ministry: How faith-driven leaders approach marketing as an extension of their mission rather than a distraction from it. Topics might include: values-based storytelling, ethical persuasion, branding that builds trust, and aligning marketing messages. Digital Growth Systems: Modern tools and digital marketing tactics that consistently drive visibility, inquiries, and revenue for retreats and camps. Topics might include: websites that convert, CRM and automation, SEO and Google Ads, social media advertising, online reviews, and emerging technologies like AI.Stories of Growth: Candid conversations with leaders about their challenges, breakthroughs, and the turning points that sparked momentum. Topics might include: turning around a struggling retreat season, launching new programs, rebuilding after crisis, or scaling operations while staying mission-aligned.Leading for Growth: How leadership mindset, team culture, and operational systems create the foundation for sustainable growth. Topics might include: team alignment, delegation, budgeting and stewardship, guest experience excellence, and building systems that support long-term ministry impact.Episodes are typically 30-45 minutes in length, content is fun, engaging and practical. We bring on reputable guests that work in or on camp and always include a quick camp marketing tip at the top of each episode.Have a specific question you'd like us to cover? Click here to submit a question or episode idea to our team.
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- 1 weeks ago54 min
EP 22 | What Happens When Your Camp Systems Stop Getting in the Way?
Camp technology often forces camps to change the way they work to fit the software. The team behind The One App took the opposite approach: learn how camps actually operate, then build technology around them.Michael John Stanley (MJ), Alan Brown, and Lindy Pinkerton share how that process began with visits to 10 camps and expanded into conversations with roughly 60 camps, plus real-world beta testing. What emerged was a consistent problem: camps were stitching together registration systems, spreadsheets, calendars, contracts, emails, whiteboards, and staff knowledge just to keep operations moving.Their response centers on what Lindy calls the Five C’s: contracts, calendars, communications, CRM, and coordinating. The conversation gets practical about guest-group registration, knowing who is actually on property, communicating between departments, coordinating meals and facilities, and giving staff access to the information they need without burying them in another complicated system.Mark’s quick marketing tip also tackles WIIFM—“What’s In It For Me?”—and why camp marketing should focus less on what your camp has and more on what those features make possible for campers, parents, churches, and retreat groups.Keywordscamp technology, camp management software, camp operations, camp registration, guest group registration, camp CRM, camp communication, operational efficiency, camp management systems, retreat center software, sustainable camp growth, The One AppSound Bites“Camping found me.” — MJ“You’re basically running a city at a camp.” — Alan Brown“Everything is fragmented.” — Lindy Pinkerton“Get staff out from behind the desk and out doing mission.” — Alan BrownHostsMark P. Fisher, Inspiring GrowthCarl Lefever, Improve & GrowGuestsMichael John Stanley (MJ), The One AppAlan Brown, The One AppLindy Pinkerton, The One AppResourcesThe One App — Learn more or schedule a demo.If you’re enjoying the podcast, be sure to follow or subscribe so you don’t miss future episodes.Have a question you'd like us to cover?Click here to record your question >Want Help Growing Your Camp?Click here to schedule a call >Music licensed through Soundstripe.Code: NKEL9IWUMNG2LTC0
- 3 weeks ago1h 7m
EP 21 | Is Fear Keeping Your Camp From Growing?
Empty beds aren’t free. An unused cabin, an open retreat weekend, or a phone that isn’t ringing represents the capacity your camp built, but isn’t using.Mark and Carl challenge one of the biggest barriers to camp growth: treating marketing primarily as a cost to control instead of an investment expected to produce a measurable return. The issue isn’t spending more for the sake of spending. It’s learning to test intelligently, track results, invest more in what works, and stop funding what doesn’t.Mark recommends thinking about marketing investment in relation to the revenue you want to achieve, using 10–12% of target gross revenue as a starting benchmark. They also unpack why fixed budgets can work against growth, why experienced marketing leadership matters, and why most camps need an “air traffic controller” coordinating specialists rather than expecting one marketing employee to do everything.Carl’s Quick Camp Marketing Tip makes measurement simple: ask every new inquiry, “How did you hear about us?” Record the answer consistently and use those patterns to make better decisions about where your next marketing dollar should go.Keywordscamp marketing, camp growth, marketing investment, marketing ROI, camp marketing budget, camp enrollment, retreat bookings, lead tracking, camp capacity, marketing strategy, nonprofit growth, camp leadershipSound Bites“Empty beds aren’t free.”“Good leadership doesn’t just protect resources. It puts them to work.”“Test. Keep track. See what works. See what doesn’t.”“What are we afraid of?”HostsMark P. Fisher, Inspiring GrowthCarl Lefever, Improve & GrowIf you’re enjoying the podcast, be sure to follow or subscribe so you don’t miss future episodes.Have a question you'd like us to cover?Click here to record your question >Want Help Growing Your Camp?Click here to schedule a call >Music licensed through Soundstripe.Code: CTICEW7Z3GYJB3XU
- Aug 21, 202654 min
EP 20 | How to Get Your Camp on the First Page of Google
More than half of a typical camp website’s traffic can come from Google searches, and for some camps, that number reaches 80% or more. That makes one question critical: When parents and retreat planners search for what you offer, can they actually find you?Senior SEO Specialist Scott Rehnberg of Improve & Grow explains camp SEO without the technical overload. He breaks down how Google understands your website, why dedicated pages for priority audiences matter, how your Google Business Profile affects visibility, and what camps can do to influence recommendations from ChatGPT and other AI search tools.Scott also shares what progress can look like over 30 days, 90 days, and six months, and why impressions and clicks only matter if they ultimately lead to inquiries, bookings, and registrations.Carl’s Quick Camp Marketing Tip: “Google Your Camp Like a Guest Would” gives you an immediate visibility check. Open an incognito browser and search your camp’s name, “summer camps near me,” and “Christian retreat centers near me.” Then try similar searches in ChatGPT. Look at who appears, what information search engines are using, and where your camp’s online presence needs work.Keywordscamp SEO, summer camp marketing, Google search, search engine optimization, ChatGPT search, AI search, Google Business Profile, organic traffic, retreat center marketing, camp registrations, Google Search Console, camp websiteSound Bites“It's not a trick.” — Scott Rehnberg “If people can understand it, Google's more likely to understand it.” — Scott Rehnberg “Sometimes the off-site things you do can give a lot of credibility to your website.” — Scott Rehnberg “Your SEO is the work you're putting into your house to make it more valuable.” — Scott Rehnberg HostsMark P. Fisher, Inspiring GrowthCarl Lefever, Improve & GrowGuestScott Rehnberg, Improve & GrowChapters00:00 Why SEO Matters for Camps02:09 Quick Camp Marketing Tip: Google Your Camp Like a Guest Would15:51 Scott’s Camp Story19:07 SEO, Explained Simply24:28 Getting Your Camp Recommended by ChatGPT and AI30:29 Why Camps Don’t Show Up in Search35:33 Common SEO Problems for Camp and Retreat Websites40:19 What Actually Moves the Needle With SEO46:00 How Long Does SEO Take?50:10 Measuring Impressions, Clicks, and Conversions55:32 Three SEO Actions Camps Can Take This Week57:38 Closing: Building Your Camp’s Growth PlanIf you’re enjoying the podcast, be sure to follow or subscribe so you don’t miss future episodes.Have a question you'd like us to cover?Click here to record your question >Want Help Growing Your Camp?Click here to schedule a call >Music licensed through Soundstripe.Code: VO8ZUDXYA1ZUJIAD
- Jul 31, 202655 min
EP 19 | The Hidden Reason Camp Websites Lose Registrations
Most camp websites unintentionally make it harder for visitors to take the next step. A homepage has to introduce your ministry, answer questions, and guide visitors in multiple directions. A landing page has one job: help the right visitor take one specific action.Oscar Quesada, CEO of Lifedge Marketing, explains why focused landing pages consistently outperform general website pages for camp registrations, retreat bookings, and facility rentals. He shares the framework his team uses to build pages that remove confusion, build trust, and improve conversions.You'll learn what separates a landing page from a standard website page, the biggest mistakes camps make, and the key elements every high-converting page should include, including clear messaging, testimonials, FAQs, pricing, compelling calls to action, and social proof. Oscar also shares a real-world example where a targeted landing page and modest Google Ads campaign generated more than $100,000 in retreat bookings.Along with the incredible insights from Oscar, Mark encourages camp leaders to price confidently as costs increase while rewarding loyal families with meaningful early-bird incentives. Registering campers before they leave camp, or shortly afterward, can improve retention, strengthen cash flow, and help families commit before they begin comparing other camps. As Mark reminds listeners, "The best time to sell next summer is this summer."Keywordslanding pages, camp websites, camp marketing, retreat center marketing, website conversions, Google Ads, Christian camps, camp registration, facility rentals, SEO, website optimization, Lifedge MarketingSound Bites"The best time to sell next summer is this summer.""The right message, to the right audience, at the right time.""People need to understand what you do in the first 10 seconds.""Marketing is a bunch of experiments."HostsMark P. Fisher, Inspiring GrowthCarl Lefever, Improve & GrowGuestOscar Quesada, Lifedge MarketingResourcesLifedge Marketing Website >Landing Page Best Practices Guide >If you’re enjoying the podcast, be sure to follow or subscribe so you don’t miss future episodes.Have a question you'd like us to cover?Click here to record your question >Want Help Growing Your Camp?Click here to schedule a call >Music licensed through Soundstripe.Code: WSSYZ6CNOPQMOVKN
- Jul 24, 202659 min
EP 18 | The Missing Sales System Behind Camp Growth
Most camps assume they need more inquiries to grow their guest group business, but many already have enough opportunities—they simply need a better system for converting them. Sustainable growth comes from responding quickly, building trust throughout the sales process, and creating consistent follow-up that helps prospective groups confidently choose your camp.Carl opens the episode with a practical marketing tip reminding camp leaders that every inquiry has an expiration date. He explains why responding within one business day, following up consistently, scheduling clear next steps, and tracking every opportunity in a CRM dramatically increases the likelihood of turning inquiries into bookings. As Carl says, marketing creates opportunities, but sales turns those opportunities into ministry and revenue.Mark is joined by Lindy Pinkerton and Heather Trail from Inspiring Growth to discuss how virtual sales support is helping camps strengthen their guest group sales process without adding the cost and complexity of expanding their internal staff. They share practical insights on qualifying leads, building stronger relationships with prospective groups, simplifying contracts, improving communication, and creating systems that ensure every inquiry receives the attention it deserves. Throughout the conversation, they explain how becoming an extension of a camp's team—not simply an outside vendor—helps camps increase bookings, improve rebooking rates, and build sustainable long-term growth through better sales systems.Keywordsvirtual sales, guest group sales, camp CRM, camp marketing, Christian camps, retreat center marketing, follow-up systems, lead conversion, guest group bookings, sales process, HubSpot CRM, camp growthSound Bites"The fortune is in the follow-up." "We don't use 'they.' We say 'we.' We are your people." “If you follow up more than the other person and better than the other person you can often win them.”"Marketing creates opportunities. Sales turns those opportunities into ministry and revenue."“What camp can do in the life of a child and adult can change a family, can change a generation.”HostsMark P. Fisher, Inspiring GrowthCarl Lefever, Improve & GrowGuestsLindy Pinkerton, Virtual Sales at Inspiring GrowthHeather Trail, Virtual Sales at Inspiring GrowthResourcesTalk with Inspiring Growth About Virtual SalesIf you’re enjoying the podcast, be sure to follow or subscribe so you don’t miss future episodes.Have a question you'd like us to cover?Click here to record your question >Want Help Growing Your Camp?Click here to schedule a call >Music licensed through Soundstripe.Code: IDLLDBWXQ4LNTQFY
- Jul 17, 20261h 7m
EP 17 | Your Camp Isn't Full (Even If You Think It Is)
Most camps assume they need more marketing to grow. Mark Fisher argues many actually have a capacity problem hiding in plain sight.Before diving into the main conversation, Mark shares a practical camp marketing tip: share benefits, not just features. Instead of simply promoting climbing walls, zip lines, or beautiful facilities, camps should tell stories that demonstrate real transformation. Parents and retreat planners don't just want information, they want evidence that camp changes lives. By documenting one authentic story each week, camps can create more compelling marketing that connects emotionally with future guests.The main conversation introduces Capacity Yield Management, a practical approach to helping camps generate more revenue, serve more guests, and strengthen long-term sustainability by making better use of the facilities they already have. Through real-world examples, Mark and Carl explain why "full" often isn't actually full, how outdated booking practices quietly cost camps thousands of dollars, and why better stewardship of existing resources can unlock significant growth.You'll learn how to evaluate true capacity, manage reservation holds, determine when exclusive use makes financial sense, balance multiple guest groups, identify hidden facility constraints, and build the operational systems that maximize both ministry impact and financial health.Keywordscapacity yield management, camp occupancy, camp revenue, retreat center management, Christian camps, camp marketing, storytelling marketing, guest group bookings, exclusive use, camp operations, camp leadership, camp stewardshipSound Bites“I've seen camps over and over increase monthly income by 30 % just by maximizing their occupancy.”“Combine, cancel, create, and cram. The four C's of yield management.”“Sometimes you have to cancel or prune, in order to have more growth.”“Maybe curiosity is one of the fastest paths back to joy.”“People don't just want more information. They want evidence. Evidence through story that your camp is changing lives.”HostsMark P. Fisher, Inspiring GrowthCarl Lefever, Improve &GrowGuestMark P. Fisher, Inspiring GrowthResourcesThe Spike of Success, by Mark P. FisherIf you’re enjoying the podcast, be sure to follow or subscribe so you don’t miss future episodes.Have a question you'd like us to cover?Click here to record your question >Want Help Growing Your Camp?Click here to schedule a call >Music licensed through Soundstripe.Code: IDLLDBWXQ4LNTQFY
- Jul 11, 202651 min
EP 16 | What Happens When Referrals Aren't Enough?
Many camps dream of growing their ministry, but sustainable growth rarely comes from a single campaign or one great season. It happens through consistent leadership, clear messaging, intentional systems, and a willingness to confront the obstacles holding a camp back.Mark opens the episode with a practical marketing tip on selling the problem before the program, explaining why camps should lead with the challenges their guests already feel, not simply the name or date of an event. When people recognize a problem they're trying to solve, they're far more likely to engage with your camp's solution.Dave Crouse, Executive Director of Angeles Crest Christian Camp, shares the remarkable story of taking over a camp that couldn't pay its electric bill and transforming it into a thriving ministry serving nearly 7,000 guests each year. Dave discusses the leadership decisions that changed the trajectory of the camp, including clarifying the camp's brand, improving its digital presence, embracing data-driven decision making, and investing consistently in both facilities and people. He also explains how sustained growth strengthened donor confidence, funded major capital improvements, and positioned the camp to pursue even bigger ministry opportunities, including a bold vision to serve 10,000 guests annually. Throughout the conversation, Dave reminds camp leaders that growth begins by honestly identifying the one or two obstacles preventing your camp from moving forward and intentionally building systems to overcome them.Keywordscamp leadership, camp marketing, Christian camps, retreat center marketing, nonprofit marketing, camp growth, branding, digital marketing, donor development, guest group marketing, executive director, stewardshipSound Bites"My first day on the job, I was told that we were financially in the hole and that we didn't have enough money to pay the electric bill”"Sell the problem before the program""I had to come to that realization what I had in the past was not gonna happen and and lead to growth now.""When you start to get that consistent growth, a lot of other things come with it."HostsMark P. Fisher https://go.inspiringgrowth.biz/Carl Lefever https://improveandgrow.com/industries/camp-marketing/GuestDave CrouseExecutive Director, Angeles Crest Christian CampResourcesAngeles Crest Christian Camp https://angelescrest.comThe Paine Protocol by Mark P. FisherHave a question you'd like us to cover?Click here to record your question >Want Help Growing Your Camp?Click here to schedule a call >If you’re enjoying the podcast, be sure to follow or subscribe so you don’t miss future episodes.Music licensed through Soundstripe.Code: MUOXNEDI4J6OKCXV
- Jul 3, 202631 min
EP 15 | How Camps Can Build a Referral System That Actually Works
Word-of-mouth has always been one of the strongest drivers of camp growth, but for many camps, it's still an informal process that's impossible to measure or improve.Peter Elbaum, owner of Camp Tree and Operations Director at Greystone Camp, shares how camps can turn referrals into a repeatable growth system. Drawing from both his camp leadership experience and software engineering background, Peter explains why great systems free camp staff to focus on relationships instead of repetitive administrative work.Mark and Carl also discuss why referrals consistently outperform many other marketing channels, how camps can reward families and staff without creating unnecessary complexity, and why measuring referral performance is essential for long-term growth. Peter shares practical examples from more than 100 camps using Camp Tree, including how one camp achieved a 15x return on investment by replacing guesswork with measurable referral tracking.Keywordscamp referrals, referral marketing, Camp Tree, camper enrollment, staff recruitment, camp growth, word of mouth marketing, CampMinder integration, ambassador programs, camp operations, camp software, summer camp marketingSound Bites"Camp needs to be referable."“Often at camp, it seems like the default is to work harder and not necessarily smarter.""You can't manage what you don't measure."HostsMark P. Fisher, Inspiring GrowthCarl Lefever, Improve & GrowGuestPeter Elbaum, Camp TreeChapters00:03 Introduction and Setting the Scene00:30 The Power of Camp Ministry01:00 Building Relationships Through Camp Experiences02:09 Marketing Insights: The Importance of Retargeting05:43 Introducing Peter Elbaum and Camp Tree07:49 Peter's Journey: From Camp to Tech10:33 The Impact of Software Engineering on Camp Operations12:15 Identifying Challenges in Camp Management15:59 Acquiring Camp Tree: A New Chapter18:16 The Value of Camp Tree for Camps20:46 Referral Programs: What Works?24:24 Success Stories: Measuring ROI with Camp Tree26:51 Special Offer and Closing ThoughtsResourcesCamp Tree — https://camptree.orgPromo Code: GYC26 for $150 off your first year of Camp TreeCamp Operations Newsletter — https://campoperations.comHave a question you'd like us to cover?Click here to record your question >Want Help Growing Your Camp?Click here to schedule a call >If you’re enjoying the podcast, be sure to follow or subscribe so you don’t miss future episodes.Music licensed through Soundstripe.Code: PBVNSIQCRJAN17OM
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Welcome to the Grow Your Camp Podcast: 'Cause You Can't Minister to Empty BedsWhere we share stories and systems to help camps grow.Hosts:Mark P. Fisher, of Inspiring GrowthCarl Lefever, of Improve & GrowOverview:Most camp directors didn't sign up to be marketers. They signed up because they know what happens to a kid who spends a week away from everything — and they wanted to be part of it. But empty beds are a real problem, and figuring out how to fill them, fund the mission, and still lead well is work nobody really prepared you for.The Grow Your Camp Podcast exists for that director. Every episode opens with one tactic you can use this week — then goes deeper with a real camp leader who's already solved the problem you're sitting with. Real numbers. Real stories. The systems behind the growth.This is what it sounds like when the mission gets to grow.Key Themes:Filling the Calendar: Strategies and real-world examples of how retreat and camp leaders increase bookings and reduce seasonal gaps. Topics might include: lead generation systems, improving inquiry response times, pricing strategy, market positioning, capacity management, and off-season marketing approaches.Marketing that Feels Like Ministry: How faith-driven leaders approach marketing as an extension of their mission rather than a distraction from it. Topics might include: values-based storytelling, ethical persuasion, branding that builds trust, and aligning marketing messages. Digital Growth Systems: Modern tools and digital marketing tactics that consistently drive visibility, inquiries, and revenue for retreats and camps. Topics might include: websites that convert, CRM and automation, SEO and Google Ads, social media advertising, online reviews, and emerging technologies like AI.Stories of Growth: Candid conversations with leaders about their challenges, breakthroughs, and the turning points that sparked momentum. Topics might include: turning around a struggling retreat season, launching new programs, rebuilding after crisis, or scaling operations while staying mission-aligned.Leading for Growth: How leadership mindset, team culture, and operational systems create the foundation for sustainable growth. Topics might include: team alignment, delegation, budgeting and stewardship, guest experience excellence, and building systems that support long-term ministry impact.Episodes are typically 30-45 minutes in length, content is fun, engaging and practical. We bring on reputable guests that work in or on camp and always include a quick camp marketing tip at the top of each episode.Have a specific question you'd like us to cover? Click here to submit a question or episode idea to our team.
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