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by Justin and Tiffany
Justin and Tiffany talk about their life growing up in a hyper-charismatic, oneness pentecostal church, and how they separately escaped to find grace outside the fundamental church. Join them as they share their ups and downs, the joys and sorrow, and the journey out of the fundamental church.
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- 1 weeks ago1h 36m
🆕 The Crazy We Called “Church” | Wild Things Pentecostal Preachers Say & Do – EP138
In this episode, we are looking at another round of wild, strange, and deeply questionable things Pentecostal preachers say and do. From a prayer log being treated like a spiritual relic, to creepy “spiritual daughter” language, to money pressure, and pulpit chaos, we are asking whether these things are actually biblical or just something we were trained to call “anointed” and “Pentecostal”. We also talk about how easily mysticism, manipulation, greed, and lack of self-control can get dressed up in church language. More importantly, we want to encourage anyone who has started noticing the weirdness and wondering if they are allowed to question it. Scripture tells us to test everything, recognize fruit, and hold fast to what is good, and that includes what comes from a Pentecostal pulpit.Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. - Matthew 7:15-16 ESVLast Week: Bigger Barns, Bigger Burdens | The Truth About Pentecostal Church Debt – EP137Playlists:Full Podcast Playlist - YoutubeHoliness StandardsThe Church BuildingExamining PentecostalismThe “MOG” (Man of God)All About The MoneyAbuse In The PulpitAddressing NAYC CommentsFEAR!!! FEAR!!! FEAR!!!Music’s “Play” In It AllGrace, Grace, God’s GraceShow Links:Crazy Things Pentecostal Preachers Say…And Do! - EP53Bethlehem Church Prayer LogJoe Campetella - “get outta yourself!”John Martin - “anybody got a spare million?”Matthew Tuttle - “beat that drum custom”Anthony Mangun - oil for healingJonathan Haygood - “try having 300 daughters”Danny Short - hair oil rubbingJoel Holmes - “Welcome to the party!”Joel Holmes - “victory”John Martin - “give your tenth to me”Resources:DivideTheWord.blogResponsible Faith - YouTubeSpiritualabuse.orgB.I.T.E. Model Website B.I.T.E. Model Free PDFBook: Toxic FaithBook: The Subtle Power of Spiritual AbuseBooks: Pagan Christianity? Exploring the Roots of Our Church PracticesBook: Christianity without the Cross: A History of Salvation in Oneness PentecostalismBook: Free: From Legalism to GraceConnect with us!📱Leave a voicemail or text us! (484) 424-7223📨 Send us an email! hello@grace
- 2 weeks ago1h 45m
🆕 Bigger Barns, Bigger Burdens | The Truth About Pentecostal Church Debt – EP137
In this episode, we continue last week’s conversation about why modern church buildings are not the “house of God”, by looking at what happens when sacred-building theology gets tied to millions of dollars in debt. We examine how pastors frame expansion projects as vision, prophecy, revival, and obedience, while the saints are left carrying the financial burden through pressure, maxed-out credit cards, and years of giving. We also look at the way some recent debt-free announcements are celebrated as though “God did it,” while the actual people who paid the price are barely acknowledged. We are asking whether this looks like the New Testament church or like spiritualized financial abuse. Jesus is not building His church through man-made empires. His church is His people.And he said, ‘I will do this: I will tear down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. - Luke 12:18 ESVLast Week: The “House of God”? | Why Pentecostals Treat Buildings as Sacred – EP136Playlists:Full Podcast Playlist - YoutubeHoliness StandardsThe Church BuildingExamining PentecostalismThe “MOG” (Man of God)All About The MoneyAbuse In The PulpitAddressing NAYC CommentsFEAR!!! FEAR!!! FEAR!!!Music’s “Play” In It AllGrace, Grace, God’s GraceShow Links:Pay Up or Be Cursed: How Pentecostal Churches Weaponize Giving - EP75Nathaniel Haney - Freedom From Debt ServiceNathan Holmes - “$33 million”Nathan Holmes - “Vision Sunday 2025”Josh Herring - “a word from the Lord”Myles Young - “give to Jubilee”Benson Holmes - “give to BOTR”Aaron Bounds - “biggest building”Mark Morgan - “focused on the building”FPCNLR - “52 days for BOTR $$”Resources:DivideTheWord.blogResponsible Faith - YouTubeSpiritualabuse.orgB.I.T.E. Model Website B.I.T.E. Model Free PDFBook: Toxic FaithBook: The Subtle Power of Spiritual AbuseBooks: Pagan Christianity? Exploring the Roots of Our Church PracticesBook: Christianity without the Cross: A History of Salvation in Oneness PentecostalismBook: Free: From Legalism to GraceConnect with us!📱Leave a voicemail or text us! (484) 424-7223📨 Send us an email! hello@graceescapepod.com💻 http://graceescapepod.comX (Twitter)<
- May 17, 20261h 26m
🆕 The “House of God”? | Why Pentecostals Treat Buildings as Sacred – EP136
In Oneness Pentecostalism, the church building is often treated as far more than a place to gather.It becomes the “House of God,” the place where God supposedly moves, restores, pours out His Spirit, calls people, and meets with His people in a special way. In this episode, we look at the language, clips, and Scripture surrounding sacred church buildings, altar dependence, “don’t miss the move” fear, and the idea that some churches are special epicenters of revival. Incidentally, the New Testament tells a very different story: God does not dwell in buildings made by human hands; He dwells in His people.So today we’re asking one simple question: what if God never left you?What kind of house will you build for me, says the Lord, or what is the place of my rest? Did not my hand make all these things?’ - Acts 7:49-50 ESVLast Week: The “First Lady” | The Hidden Power of the Pastor’s Wife - EP135Playlists:Full Podcast Playlist - YoutubeHoliness StandardsThe Church BuildingExamining PentecostalismThe “MOG” (Man of God)All About The MoneyAbuse In The PulpitAddressing NAYC CommentsFEAR!!! FEAR!!! FEAR!!!Music’s “Play” In It AllGrace, Grace, God’s GraceShow Links:Kim Haney - “McDonalds-free sacred space”Joel Holmes - “God’s house is more important”Myles Young - “the presencing of our God”Nathaniel Haney - “highways & byways”Myles Young - “forsake not the assembling”Cody Updegrave - “start at the temple”Aaron Bounds - “doors are locked on repentance”Jason Sciscoe - “church in your living room”Ashton Parsley - “too anointed to miss”Souls Harbor Service Leader - “God pouring out His Spirit”Resources:DivideTheWord.blogResponsible Faith - YouTubeSpiritualabuse.orgB.I.T.E. Model Website B.I.T.E. Model Free PDFBook: Toxic FaithBook: The Subtle Power of Spiritual AbuseBooks: Pagan Christianity? Exploring the Roots of Our Church PracticesBook: Christianity without the Cross: A History of Salvation in Oneness PentecostalismBook: Free: From Legalism to GraceConnect with us!📱Leave a voicemail or text us! (484) 424-7223📨 Send us an email! hello@graceescapepod.com💻 http://graceescapepod.comX (Tw
- May 10, 20261h 24m
🆕 The “First Lady” | The Hidden Power of the Pastor’s Wife – EP136
This Mother’s Day, we’re having a complicated conversation on Grace Escape: the role and culture surrounding the modern “First Lady.” In many Pentecostal churches, these pastor wives carry enormous pressure, influence, responsibility, and emotional weight behind the scenes, often while quietly suffering themselves. But we also take an honest look at the very real spiritual, emotional, and relational damage that can happen through manipulation, guilt, soft control, and celebrity-style church culture. From luxury gifts and leadership hierarchy, to loneliness, burnout, and impossible expectations, we’re looking at a role that can deeply affect both church members and the women living inside it. Our hope is to bring clarity, validation, compassion, and ultimately freedom to anyone who has been hurt by unhealthy religious systems.But whoever would be great among you must be your servant, and whoever would be first among you must be slave of all. - Mark 10:43-44 ESVLast Week: Hustling Holiness: The Pentecostal System Behind “Being Set Apart” – EP134Playlists:Full Podcast Playlist - YoutubeHoliness StandardsThe Church BuildingExamining PentecostalismThe “MOG” (Man of God)All About The MoneyAbuse In The PulpitAddressing NAYC CommentsFEAR!!! FEAR!!! FEAR!!!Music’s “Play” In It AllGrace, Grace, God’s GraceShow Links:The Rock Church - Celebration of “spiritual authority”The Rock Church - Jared Marks Pastor Loyalty TiradeEvan Grizzle - “behind every good man”Honoring “First Lady” CarsonMary Wilson - “sic the devil on you”Kim Haney - “there is no option!”Nathaniel Urshan - “you’re not perfect either”Heidi Urshan - “I couldn’t tell anyone”Michelle Tuttle - “gossip session spying”Kim Haney - “don’t expect to get paid”Ginger Labatt - “depression isn’t the will of God”Barbara Wilson - Kubota RTV520Resources:DivideTheWord.blogResponsible Faith - YouTubeSpiritualabuse.orgB.I.T.E. Model Website B.I.T.E. Model Free PDFBook: Toxic FaithBook: The Subtle Power of Spiritual AbuseBooks: Pagan Christianity? Exploring the Roots of Our Church PracticesBook: Christianity without the Cross: A History of Salvation in Oneness PentecostalismBook: Free: From Legalism to GraceConnect with us!📱Leave a voicemail or
- May 3, 20261h 21m
🆕 Hustling Holiness: The Pentecostal System Behind “Being Set Apart” – EP134
Holiness is one of the most talked about, and most misunderstood, concepts in high-control church systems. For many, it became a visible checklist of rules rather than a work of the Holy Spirit. In this episode, we walk through how holiness is taught in Oneness Pentecostalism, how it was defined under the Old Covenant, and what actually changed under the New. We unpack key Scriptures often used to support external standards and compare them with what the New Testament really says about transformation. Our goal is to help you see that biblical holiness isn’t something you achieve, it’s something God produces in you.For I am the Lord your God. Consecrate yourselves therefore, and be holy, for I am holy. - Leviticus 11:44 ESVLast Week: The Fundamentalism Problem: How Apostolic Churches Decide Who’s Really Saved - EP133 - https://youtu.be/T_Zh11KNRiYPlaylists:Full Podcast Playlist - YoutubeHoliness StandardsThe Church BuildingExamining PentecostalismThe “MOG” (Man of God)All About The MoneyAbuse In The PulpitAddressing NAYC CommentsFEAR!!! FEAR!!! FEAR!!!Music’s “Play” In It AllGrace, Grace, God’s GraceShow Links:EP132 - The Legalism Lie: How Churches Reject the Label but Keep the SystemNathan Holmes - “that’s legalism!”Lee Stoneking - “sphere of angels & demons”Johnny Godair - “cleanse yourself”Charles Robinette - “God can’t do it for you”Kevin Bradford - “holiness is a response”Matthew Woodward - “God does care about rules”Caleb Herring - “if you cut your hair”Caleb Herring - “holiness & separation”Josh Herring - “grow your beard out”Holly Varnum - “it’s a privilege”Daniel McKillop - “no holiness churches”Resources:DivideTheWord.blogResponsible Faith - YouTubeSpiritualabuse.orgB.I.T.E. Model Website B.I.T.E. Model Free PDFBook: Toxic FaithBook: The Subtle Power of Spiritual AbuseBooks: Pagan Christianity? Exploring the Roots of Our Church PracticesBook: Christianity without the Cross: A History of Salvation in Oneness PentecostalismBook: Free: From Legalism to GraceConnect with us!📱Leave a voicemail or text us! (484) 424-7223📨 Send us an email! hello@graceescapepod.com💻
- Apr 26, 20261h 19m
🆕 The Fundamentalism Problem: How Apostolic Churches Decide Who’s Really Saved - EP133
What is fundamentalism? And does it describe Apostolic Pentecostalism? In this episode, we define the term clearly, as we walk through how it has shifted from protecting core doctrine to building systems that draw hard lines around who is “in” and who is “out.” We connect the dots between fundamentalism and legalism, showing how one creates the environment for the other to thrive. Along the way, we ask honest questions about Oneness Pentecostalism and whether its structure reflects this modern definition. Most importantly, we point back to the gospel and remind you that your standing with God is built on Christ alone, not a system.For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. - Romans 10:3-4 ESVLast Week: The Legalism Lie: How Churches Reject the Label but Keep the System - EP132Playlists:Full Podcast Playlist - YoutubeHoliness StandardsThe Church BuildingExamining PentecostalismThe “MOG” (Man of God)All About The MoneyAbuse In The PulpitAddressing NAYC CommentsFEAR!!! FEAR!!! FEAR!!!Music’s “Play” In It AllGrace, Grace, God’s GraceShow Links:Spiritual Gag Orders: How Abusive Leaders Keep You Quiet - EP84Unforgivable Sin?! | Fear, Blasphemy & Questioning the ‘Truth’ - EP105Nathaniel Urshan - “hyper-fundamentalist”Kenneth Carpenter - “I’m a radical fundamentalist”Adam Shaw - “consecration is protection”Nathan Holmes - “talking heads on a TV”Nathaniel Urshan - “attacking the apostolic message”Nathan Holmes - “Jesus name only!”David K Bernard - “we have spirit AND Word”Nathaniel Urshan - “superimposing extra-biblical narratives”<a href="https://www.youtube.com/live/b__MHeehr84?si=-GQZrMV4sTfXOy7_&
- Apr 19, 20261h 18m
🆕 The Legalism Lie: How Churches Reject the Label but Keep the System - EP132
In this episode, we’re exposing how legalism is often redefined from the pulpit, typically so it can be rejected in name, while still being practiced in reality. We break down real sermon clips and examine how language around grace, holiness, and obedience can subtly shift from freedom into pressure. Using Scripture from Galatians and Colossians, we show how legalism isn’t just about earning salvation, it’s also about trying to maintain your standing with God through performance. We also address common arguments that confuse biblical obedience with man-made standards, and why that distinction matters. This conversation is meant to bring clarity where there’s been confusion, and to point you back to the freedom and assurance found in what Christ has already finished.Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? - Galatians 3:3 ESVLast Week: Pentecostal Performance Trap | “Entertaining His Presence” Exposed - EP131 LIVEPlaylists:Full Podcast Playlist - YoutubeHoliness StandardsThe Church BuildingExamining PentecostalismThe “MOG” (Man of God)All About The MoneyAbuse In The PulpitAddressing NAYC CommentsFEAR!!! FEAR!!! FEAR!!!Music’s “Play” In It AllGrace, Grace, God’s GraceShow Links:Is the UPC Legalistic? You Decide - EP29Law 2.0 | How Pentecostals Repackage Legalism As Spirit-Led Living - EP90When Holiness Becomes Legalism | Debunking False Modesty Teachings - EP91Mandy Bowen - “let’s define legalism”David K Bernard - “we are not legalists”Kevin Bradford - “Holiness of Heart & Life”Daniel McKillop - “legalism v lawlessness”Jason Varnom - “Follow Me!”Jason Varnum - “catch the fish first”Johnny Godair - “can you even spell legalism?”Nathan Holmes - “well that’s legalistic!”Caleb Herring - “set free from legalism”Jonathan Sanders - “you’re not free!”Resources:DivideTheWord.blogResponsible Faith - YouTubeSpiritualabuse.orgB.I.T.E. Model Website B.I.T.E. Model Free PDFBook: Toxic FaithBook: The Subtle Power of Spiritual AbuseBooks: Pagan Christianity? Exploring the Roots of Our Church PracticesBook: Christianity without the Cross: A History of Salvation in Oneness PentecostalismBook: Free: From Legalism to Grace</a
- Apr 12, 202652 min
Pentecostal Performance Trap | “Entertaining His Presence” Exposed - EP131 LIVE
We keep hearing this phrase in Pentecostal services: “let’s entertain the presence of the Lord”… but what does that actually mean? In this LIVE episode, we break down portions of the IBC Music Fest 2026, and expose the theology behind this kind of language. Is God’s presence something we have to create, sustain, or “not lose”… or is that an Old Covenant idea creeping into New Covenant worship? We’ll walk through what Scripture actually says about God’s presence, how emotional worship environments reinforce this belief, and why this teaching quietly puts pressure back on you. If you’ve ever felt like it was your job to “entertain” God or His presence, join us for some clarity, and a whole lot of relief.Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? - 1 Corinthians 3:16 ESVLast Week: Grace Distorted: How Pentecostals Turn Salvation Into a Process – EP130Playlists:Full Podcast Playlist - YoutubeHoliness StandardsThe Church BuildingExamining PentecostalismThe “MOG” (Man of God)All About The MoneyAbuse In The PulpitAddressing NAYC CommentsFEAR!!! FEAR!!! FEAR!!!Music’s “Play” In It AllGrace, Grace, God’s GraceShow Links:Exposing The Ritualistic Worship Service - S01E45A Manufactured Move of God: Are Pentecostal Services Actually Spirit-Led? - EP83Empty Promises: Is Pentecostalism Authentic Or Just Hype? - EP71Always Empty, Never Enough | How Pentecostals Diminish the Holy Spirit - EP93Chasing A Feeling | Pentecostal Highs Vs. Holy Spirit Truth – EP103FPCNLR - “entertain the presence”IBC Music Fest 2026Josh Herring - “get people in the HOG!”Larry Booker - “I need to ‘catch’ something”Other intro links:CLC Service Leader - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLEJJ_snOlk&t=569s&pp=2AG5BJACAQ%3D%3DCLC Song Leader - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ4vBJUF7-I&t=1269s&pp=2AH1CZACAQ%3D%3DPOA Andrew Cox - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew6x-PWOG5g&t=101s&pp=2AFlkAIB0gcJCdUBo7VqN5tDCLC Service Leader - https://www.youtube.com/live/IXS
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Justin and Tiffany talk about their life growing up in a hyper-charismatic, oneness pentecostal church, and how they separately escaped to find grace outside the fundamental church. Join them as they share their ups and downs, the joys and sorrow, and the journey out of the fundamental church.
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