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How to Run an Institution in an Anti-Institution Era | Better in Person

September 2, 2026·37 min·5-min readconversationalpolitics
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Running major cultural and educational institutions in an era of declining public trust requires moral clarity, resilience, and a commitment to core values. Stephen Dubner hosts a conversation with Anne Pasternak, director of the Brooklyn Museum, and Michael Roth, president of Wesleyan Univ

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Anne Pasternak

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Anne PasternakMichael RothStephen DubnerJoshua BogerMike StarnJim GoldbergLarry Sultan

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Safe Enough Spacesby Michael Roth

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ArtArtificial IntelligenceHigher EducationLeadershipUs Politics

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