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For 14 years, the Inside EMS podcast helped drive conversations shaping the profession. Across nearly 900 episodes, hosts Chris Cebollero and Kelly Grayson examined hot topics affecting providers and leaders, from field operations and clinical decision-making to technology adoption, workforce challenges and agency leadership. With more than 2.3 million downloads and listeners in 51 countries, the podcast built a lasting archive of practical insight, debate and perspective for every stage of an EMS career. While new episodes have concluded, the Inside EMS archive remains a valuable educational resource. Listeners can revisit discussions on clinical care, leadership, workforce challenges, professional development and the evolving role of EMS in public safety and healthcare.
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- 2 weeks ago46 min
Blood on Board: Everything is bigger in Texas
Texas is taking prehospital whole blood to scale. In this second installment of the Blood on Board series, the conversation moves from pioneering local programs to a statewide initiative backed by legislation, trauma system collaboration and a $10 million investment in EMS blood capability. Host Rob Lawrence welcomes Dr. Jeff Jarvis, chief medical officer and system medical director, Fort Worth Office of the Medical Director; Dr. C.J. Winckler, deputy medical director for the San Antonio Fire Department; and Jorie Klein, director of EMS-Trauma Systems Section, Texas Department of State Health Services. From San Antonio’s early adoption to Fort Worth’s operational maturity and the Texas Department of State Health Services’ statewide rollout, this episode examines how Texas built one of the most ambitious prehospital blood programs in the country. The discussion goes beyond clinical theory. The guests tackle implementation, logistics, blood stewardship, wastage concerns, rural access, legislative strategy and the realities of getting physicians, transfusion medicine specialists, EMS leaders and lawmakers aligned around a shared mission. The episode also explores the expanding use of whole blood beyond trauma, including GI bleeds, obstetrics and surgical hemorrhage, while reinforcing the operational mantra repeated throughout the show: systems save lives. | MORE: Blood on board: Lessons from Sacramento and LA County Fire Impactful quotes “You can’t quarterback it from your office. You have to be engaged and be out there with them.” — Jorie Klein “Little did I know that it would take almost every waking minute of my life to get blood on an ambulance.” — Dr. C.J. Winckler “We’re not improving overall mortality yet, but we are improving mortality in the first six hours.” — Dr. C.J. Winckler “When you work together as a system, you can do amazing things.” — Dr. Jeff Jarvis “In the last 13 months, we’ve given 259 units to 211 patients.” — Dr. Jeff Jarvis “Our definition of wastage is anything that doesn’t go into a patient.” — Dr. Jeff Jarvisv “It turns out this stuff works.” — Dr. Jeff Jarvis “It’s all about communication and trust.” — Dr. C.J. Winckler “Five years ago, we knew those patients would not survive. Now we have new tools.” — Jorie Klein “My dad was saved by prehospital whole blood.” — Dr. C.J. Winckler “Talk to the clinicians who are giving this blood and ask them about the impact it’s making.” — Dr. Jeff Jarvis Episode timeline 00:00 – Opening message. Jorie Klein outlines the central lesson for other states: engage frontline providers and avoid managing programs remotely. 00:40 – Introduction. Rob Lawrence introduces Episode 2 of the Blood on Board series, shifting focus from local systems to statewide implementation in Texas. 01:20 – Meet the guests. Jorie Klein, Dr. Jeff Jarvis and Dr. C.J. Winckler introduce themselves and their roles in Texas EMS and trauma care. 03:22 – The San Antonio origin story Dr. Winckler explains how military medicine, trauma surgeons and Texas delegated medical practice helped launch San Antonio’s whole blood program. 06:04 – Building the first protocols. Dr. Winckler discusses creating guidelines from scratch, operationalizing blood administration and securing funding support from city leadership. 08:52 – Going system-wide. San Antonio launches whole blood citywide in October 2018 without a pilot project. 10:13 – Ethics and evidence. Discussion shifts to mortality data, prehospital physiology and whether balanced blood resuscitation should already be considered standard of care. 12:14 – Fort Worth follows. Dr. Jarvis explains how San Antonio’s system inspired adoption in Fort Worth and highlights the importance of regional collaboration. 14:03 – Texas goes statewide. Klein explains the legislative process that resulted in a $10 million statewide prehospital whole blood initiative. 17:24 – Rural T
- 2 weeks ago42 min
Blood on Board: Federal funding paves the way for EMS blood programs
The EMS One-Stop Blood on Board series moves to the federal level in Episode 3, exploring how the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Safe Streets and Roads for All (SS4A) grant program is opening new funding pathways for prehospital blood programs. Host Rob Lawrence is joined by three leaders directly involved in building regional blood capability through federal funding. Julie Stilley, PhD, is an EMS researcher at the University of Missouri, whose team secured a $4.6 million SS4A demonstration grant focused on advanced post-crash care, including prehospital blood administration. Jason White represents the Mid-America Regional Council in Kansas City, a multi-jurisdictional regional planning organization coordinating EMS, trauma systems, hospitals and transportation partners around a regional whole blood strategy. Mark Heath is chief of EMS for the Kansas City Kansas Fire Department and one of the operational leaders preparing to launch whole blood in the field as part of the Kansas City regional effort. Rather than focusing solely on clinical practice, this episode examines the realities of applying for, winning and administering federal grant funding. The guests discuss building regional coalitions, engaging blood banks, developing standardized protocols, navigating compliance requirements and preparing operational rollouts. From Missouri’s $4.6 million demonstration grant, to Kansas City’s regional planning initiative, this episode provides a practical roadmap for EMS leaders looking to transform roadway safety funding into lifesaving trauma care capability. Watch episode 1: Blood on Board: Lessons from Sacramento and LA County Fire Watch episode 2: Blood on Board: Everything is bigger in Texas Impactful quotes “Don’t be afraid of applying for a big, scary federal grant.” — Mark Heath “EMS is the perfect partner to try to understand how to address the post-crash care component of a safety action plan.” — Julie Stilley “If you’re going to do it as a region, you’ve got to hang together.” — Jason White “The data points on the backside will set you free.” — Mark Heath “If my blood is closer to the next address over, just because there’s a river in the way doesn’t mean we can’t get across the bridge.” — Mark Heath “What started initially as an absolute ‘no’ became, ‘Wait, let me listen to you some more.’” — Julie Stilley “The juice is worth the squeeze.” — Rob Lawrence “Firefighters and EMS are cowboys, and blood banks are accountants.” — Mark Heath “Cowboys do marry accountants.” — Jason White “Run, don’t walk, to your local blood bank.” — Mark Heath “It’s your blood in your community and going into you on your ambulances.” — Mark Heath “We’re moving toward reducing mortality and reducing long-term injury.” — Julie Stilley Additional resources Safe Streets and Roads for All (SS4A) Grant Program | US Department of Transportation NHTSA's Office of Emergency Medical Services | EMS.gov Accessing the Safe Streets and Roads for All EMS grant program Researchers receive $4.6 million to pilot advanced EMS response program Episode timeline 00:00 – “Free money is free money”. Chief Mark Heath opens with encouragement for agencies considering federal grant applications and urges smaller communities not to be intimidated by the process. 00:44 – Introduction to Episode 3. Rob Lawrence recaps Episodes 1 and 2 of the Blood on Board series before introducing the SS4A grant focus and the featured guests. 02:07 – Meet the guests. Julie Stilley introduces her role at the University of Missouri and reveals her project’s $4.6 million award. Jason White and Mark Heath outline the Kansas City regional collaboration. 04:19 – Why apply for SS4A? Julie Stilley explains how frustration around operational barriers to blood implementation motivated her grant application. 05:38 – Understanding demonstration grants. Discussion on the difference between planning and demonstration grants, and how post-cr
- May 14, 202645 min
Blood on board: Lessons from Sacramento and LA County Fire
EMS systems can safely deliver blood in the field, and when they do, patients who would otherwise die are surviving Whole blood in the field is no longer theoretical; it is operational, measurable and increasingly expected. In this EMS One-Stop episode, host Rob Lawrence brings together two of California’s leading medical directors — Drs. Clayton Kazan and Kevin Mackey — to compare and contrast their prehospital blood programs. From concept to deployment, both systems demonstrate how data, relationships and persistence can translate innovation into lives saved. This discussion goes beyond theory. It addresses real-world barriers — regulation, blood bank skepticism, funding gaps — and pairs them with practical solutions. The result is a clear message: EMS systems can safely deliver blood in the field, and when they do, patients who would otherwise die are surviving. For agencies considering similar programs, this episode provides a roadmap grounded in experience, outcomes and operational reality. Notable quotes “When there's someone who wants to see your program, talk about your program.” — Kevin Mackey “I kind of never believed it really possible to put it on a paramedic truck until I saw what the military was able to do.” — Clayton Kazan “If the five minutes matter, why wouldn’t we want to do it 5, 10, 15, 20 minutes sooner?” — Clayton Kazan “Never say ‘no,’ never say ‘die.’” — Kevin Mackey “They’re never tired of trying to find new ways to save people’s lives.” — Clayton Kazan Episode timeline 00:00 – Opening message. “Never say ‘no,’ never say ‘die’” sets the tone for program development and persistence 01:00 – Series introduction. Rob frames the episode as part of a broader national discussion on blood in EMS 02:00 – Guest introductions. Dr. Kazan and Dr. Mackey outline their EMS and medical backgrounds 03:20 – Program overviews. LA County: April 2025 launch, 11 squads, 58 transfusions; Sacramento: December 2025 launch after 15-month build 05:20 – Origins and catalysts. Influence from San Antonio and New Orleans programs; leadership support as a trigger 07:00 – Military influence. Translation of battlefield success into civilian EMS feasibility 08:50 – Building the business case. Data-driven forecasting using ePCR systems 11:00 – Overcoming resistance. Regulatory hurdles, skepticism and blood bank concerns 15:00 – Survivor stories. Real-world saves that validate the programs and influence policymakers 18:00 – Funding realities. Grant-based models, no current reimbursement, cost-benefit framed in life-years saved 21:45 – Equipment and logistics. Cold chain, monitoring systems, delivery devices and operational considerations 24:40 – Training and deployment. Targeted rollout using heat maps and trauma incidence data 27:45 – Early challenges. Blood recirculation, cold chain validation and system integration issues 31:50 – QA/QI and research. 100% case review and participation in multi-county data collaboratives 34:10 – Patient populations. Primarily trauma, with emerging medical indications 36:00 – Sustainability and scaling. Political engagement and expansion planning 38:15 – Rapid fire lessons learned. Transparency, persistence, relationships 42:50 – Myths and realities. Frontline providers embrace innovation; capability concerns disproven 44:00 – Final takeaways. Appreciation, relationships and system-wide collaboration as keys to success Enjoying the show? Email editor@ems1.com to share feedback.
- May 13, 202616 min
Special report: Andes Hantavirus risk assessment
In this special EMS One-Stop update, Rob Lawrence is joined by returning guest Dr. Alex Isakov to break down the rapidly developing Andes Hantavirus outbreak linked to the expedition cruise ship MV Hondius. What began as a handful of unexplained respiratory illnesses aboard a South Atlantic voyage has evolved into an internationally monitored infectious disease event involving multiple countries, quarantine operations, public health investigations and the repatriation of exposed passengers to specialized containment facilities in the United States. | MORE: Hantavirus outbreak aboard cruise ship sends Americans to biocontainment quarantine units Dr. Isakov is professor of emergency medicine at Emory University School of Medicine and executive director of the Emory Office of Critical Event Preparedness and Response (CEPAR). He also serves as EMS lead for the National Emerging Special Pathogens Training and Education Center (NETEC), where he helps lead national preparedness efforts for high-consequence infectious diseases. In the episode, he explains how Andes Hantavirus differs from other hantaviruses already present in North America because it is capable of person-to-person transmission in limited circumstances. The discussion covers transmission dynamics, incubation periods, PPE recommendations, public health monitoring and why experts continue to assess the overall public risk as low. Listeners are also directed toward the excellent educational resource hub on preparedness and response available through NETEC Hantavirus Resources. Episode timeline 00:00 – Introduction to the Special Edition. Rob Lawrence introduces the emergency update format and welcomes Dr. Alex Isakov to discuss the emerging Andes Hantavirus outbreak. 00:50 – Understanding hantaviruses. Dr. Isakov explains the difference between common North American hantaviruses and Andes Virus, emphasizing the rare person-to-person transmission capability. 03:13 – The cruise ship incident. Discussion of the outbreak aboard the MV Hondius, including onboard transmission concerns, severe illness development and international evacuation efforts. 05:16 – U.S. monitoring and quarantine. Review of quarantine operations in Nebraska and ongoing public health monitoring of exposed American passengers. 07:21 – Incubation and EMS risk assessment. Dr. Isakov outlines the prolonged incubation period and explains why frontline EMS encounters remain unlikely. 11:17 – PPE guidance for EMS personnel. Specific PPE recommendations are reviewed, including standard, contact and airborne precautions with eye protection. 13:17 – Looking ahead to World Cup 2026. The discussion turns to international travel, mass gatherings and why clinicians must maintain awareness of rare infectious diseases tied to travel history. 14:32 – EMS and public health resources. Dr. Isakov directs listeners to CDC, WHO and NETEC resources for ongoing guidance and EMS-specific updates.
- May 8, 202629 min
‘Culture eats strategy’: Rebuilding an EMS system from the ground up
In this episode of the Inside EMS podcast, host Chris Cebollero shares why he left the consulting and community paramedicine world to become chief of EMS and COO for EMS Team in Dayton, Ohio — a growing multi-state agency with “visions of world dominance.” The conversation digs deep into servant leadership, workforce buy-in and the balance between supporting crews while still holding the line on professionalism and performance. Chris also lays out his vision for creating a sustainable culture built on accountability, engagement and shared ownership. It’s equal parts leadership seminar, war story and reality check for anyone who’s ever tried to fix a fractured EMS system. Additional resources: How to lead without being that boss Leadership lessons: How to turn failure into growth Enjoying Inside EMS? Email theshow@ems1.com to share feedback.
- Apr 30, 202639 min
When systems hesitate, they deploy: The rogue air crews who faced Ebola head-on
In this episode of EMS One-Stop, Rob Lawrence sits down with Kevin Hazzard to explore No One’s Coming, a gripping account of the 2014 Ebola outbreak and the extraordinary effort to rescue infected American aid workers from West Africa. |WATCH NOW: FDNY’s future: AI, BWCs and pay parity with Commissioner Lillian Bonsignore What begins as a seemingly impossible mission evolved into a high-stakes, time-critical operation led by Phoenix Air — a team known for taking on the missions no one else will. Hazzard traces the origins of this unconventional organization, from transporting explosives and nuclear materials, to pioneering aeromedical evacuation of the world’s most dangerous infectious patients. The conversation moves beyond storytelling into operational reality. With no established protocols, limited knowledge of Ebola and widespread public fear, crews were forced to improvise, adapt and execute under intense pressure. The episode examines the intersection of EMS readiness, public health hesitation and leadership under uncertainty. At its core, this is a study in preparation, risk tolerance and professional duty — illustrating how a small group of individuals stepped forward when systems hesitated, reinforcing the enduring EMS principle: when the call comes, you answer. Key quotes from Kevin Hazzard “This is as scary as it gets.” “It is the largest and deadliest Ebola outbreak in human history.” “We’ve got to figure out how to transport highly contagious patients — nobody does that.” “They risked their lives. They risked their families’ lives for strangers.” “Preparation is the most important thing.” “We are notoriously short-minded … we’re not long-range thinkers.” “There are people out there who are willing to step into the breach when needed.” Episode timeline 00:00 – Opening context: Ebola outbreak severity and mission stakes 01:00 – Introducing Kevin Hazzard, author background 03:30 – Origins and evolution of Phoenix Air 08:00 – High-risk missions (including Libya nuclear extraction) 14:30 – Transition to EMS and infectious disease transport 16:00 – Development of the biocontainment system 20:00 – Ebola mission planning and execution challenges 27:00 – U.S. reception, EMS transport and public reaction 31:00 – Leadership lessons and EMS preparedness gaps 35:00 – Reflections on readiness, resilience and future threats Enjoying the show? Email editor@ems1.com to share feedback.
- Apr 24, 202632 min
Reality check: How close does TV get to real EMS?
This week on Inside EMS, it’s a no-holds-barred breakdown of HBO’s The Pitt — and surprisingly, it earns a solid thumbs up from the field. The show nails the feel of emergency medicine: nonstop chaos, overlapping patients and that mental grind that never lets up. The set, the medicine and the team dynamics all hit close enough to make even seasoned providers nod along. But let’s not pretend it’s perfect. The guys call out the usual TV sins — compressed timelines, back-to-back disasters and docs who never miss on the first try. But, there is a botched 12-lead that sparks a real-world debate about electrode placement, patient modesty and doing the job right when it matters most. Where The Pitt really shines? The emotional weight. Burnout, breaking points and the slow unraveling that comes with the job — it’s all there, and it hits hard. Have you watched the show? What are your thoughts? Let us know in the comment field below. Quotable takeaways “At some point you're so saturated by fear and emotion and being strong through somebody else's grief and trying to be on 24/7, you can't afford a bad moment.” “I think they do a great job of displaying the emotional toll that a career in medicine takes on the people who practice it.” Enjoying Inside EMS? Email theshow@ems1.com to share feedback.
- Apr 23, 202630 min
‘Hydraulic debriefing:’ Alcohol, stress, and the hidden culture of EMS
In this episode of EMS One-Stop, Rob Lawrence sits down with Dr. Maria Koeppel to explore a topic that has long existed in the shadows of EMS culture — alcohol use among providers. | MORE: First responders and alcohol – how much is too much? Drawing on NIH and FEMA supported research, Koeppel outlines how EMS clinicians may be engaging in higher-risk drinking behaviors than the general population, with patterns influenced by stress, exposure and workplace culture. What emerges is not a story of individual weakness, but one of systemic pressure — where both major traumatic incidents and the accumulation of low-acuity, high-frequency calls contribute to a steady burden of stress that many providers attempt to manage off-duty. The conversation moves beyond statistics into culture, leadership and generational change. Koeppel highlights how traditional “crew bonding” through alcohol — what one participant termed “hydraulic debriefing” — may be giving way to a new, more wellness-focused approach among younger clinicians. At the same time, gaps in education, policy and peer support remain evident across EMS systems. For leaders, the message is clear: alcohol use is not a fringe issue, but a workforce health, safety and performance issue that requires thoughtful engagement, cultural awareness and proactive support structures. Key quotes from Maria Koeppel “Over 50% of firefighters surveyed had binge drank in the last 30 days — about twice the rate of the general population.” “EMS providers tend to drink a little bit more frequently than the general population — and that’s tied directly to stress.” “It’s not just the big trauma calls — it’s the micro-stressors that add up over time.” “A third of clinicians in our sample engaged in high-risk drinking behaviors.” “Younger clinicians are at higher risk — but that risk declines with age as coping mechanisms develop.” “Paramedics are at higher risk than EMTs, likely due to increased responsibility and patient exposure.” “Some described going out after shift as ‘hydraulic debriefing’ — using alcohol to process the day.” “Gen Z is driving a more sober culture — they’re choosing connection without alcohol.” “Leadership isn’t just policy — it’s culture, awareness and how you care for your people.” “Alcohol and coping has to be part of the conversation if we care about workforce health and patient safety.” Episode timeline 01:06 – Maria’s background: firefighter and researcher 02:24 – Overview of NIH/FEMA research and EMS focus 04:14 – Key findings: stress, frequency of drinking and EMS culture 05:08 – Micro-stressors vs. major trauma calls 06:54 – Risk factors: age, role, education, multiple jobs 10:11 – Culture and “hydraulic debriefing” 11:46 – Fire vs. private EMS cultural differences 14:38 – Generational shift: Gen Z and sober culture 19:24 – Alternative substances and coping trends 21:20 – Leadership roles: policy vs. culture 24:11 – Peer support gaps in EMS 26:41 – Workforce impact: sleep, stress, retention 27:14 – Education gap and need for EMS-specific training 29:11 – Conferences and future research dissemination 30:13 – Episode wrap-up Enjoying the show? Email editor@ems1.com to share feedback.
About Inside EMS
For 14 years, the Inside EMS podcast helped drive conversations shaping the profession. Across nearly 900 episodes, hosts Chris Cebollero and Kelly Grayson examined hot topics affecting providers and leaders, from field operations and clinical decision-making to technology adoption, workforce challenges and agency leadership. With more than 2.3 million downloads and listeners in 51 countries, the podcast built a lasting archive of practical insight, debate and perspective for every stage of an EMS career. While new episodes have concluded, the Inside EMS archive remains a valuable educational resource. Listeners can revisit discussions on clinical care, leadership, workforce challenges, professional development and the evolving role of EMS in public safety and healthcare.
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