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- 3 weeks ago1h 32m
Communal Living as Spiritual Practice: Friendship, Formation, and Renewing the Senses
Can we find freedom in a world of endless choice—or is deeper liberation found in the people we refuse to leave? In the first of a three-part Lectern Dialogues series, John Vervaeke is joined by Elizabeth Oldfield and her husband, Christopher Oldfield, for a conversation on intentional communal living as a spiritual practice within a Christian orientation. Elizabeth and Christopher share life with their children and three other adults in a small London home shaped by a shared rule of life: collective prayer, hospitality, study, play, administration, and the daily work of formation. They distinguish committed community from casual cohabitation, exploring how proximity, conflict, repair, and shared rhythms can cultivate deeper friendship and fellowship. The conversation connects intentional community with John's work on the philosophical Silk Road, renewing the senses, dialogical selfhood, attachment, participation, and the critique of modern individualism. It also takes seriously the risks of self-deception and toxic religion, asking what discernment and faithful communal maturation require. Guests Christopher Oldfield is a philosopher affiliated with the Faraday Institute for Science and Religion in Cambridge. His work explores wisdom, metaphysics, personhood, participation, and the sacred. Elizabeth Oldfield writes and speaks on spirituality, community, and relational life, examining how shared practices can restore connection with one another and with God. Resources Christopher Oldfield: https://www.chrisoldfieldphilosophy.com/ Elizabeth Oldfield on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabeth-oldfield-5a5b6216/ Plato, The Seventh Letter: http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/seventh_letter.html A Hidden Life: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5827916/ The Thin Red Line: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120863/ Explore courses and teachings from The Lectern: https://lectern.johnvervaeke.com/ Support The Lectern on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke Follow John Vervaeke: Website: https://johnvervaeke.com/ X: https://twitter.com/vervaeke_jo
- Aug 7, 20261h 19m
How Nonbeing Haunts Being: Corey Anton on Death, Spirituality, and the Meaning of a Finite Life
What if the very thing we fear most—nonbeing—is also what gives life its deepest meaning? John Vervaeke welcomes philosopher Corey Anton to discuss his book, How Nonbeing Haunts Being: On Possibilities, Morality, and Death Acceptance. They explore how absence, limitation, possibility, mortality, and death are not merely negations of life, but central to how meaning, identity, and moral responsibility emerge. Corey situates the book as the third in a trilogy and describes a naturalist yet spiritually open orientation: one that rejects an afterlife while affirming reverence for the mystery of existence and a morality grounded in this life. John and Corey consider embodiment, perception, grief, ego death, psychedelics, dignity in dying, AI and the meaning crisis, and the challenge of evil. Drawing on Sartre, Heidegger, Merleau-Ponty, Nishitani, Terence Deacon, Epicurus, and Douglas Harding's Headless Way, this conversation asks how accepting mortality might deepen wisdom, enrich ordinary life, and open us to a more participatory relationship with reality. Resources How Nonbeing Haunts Being: On Possibilities, Morality, and Death Acceptance by Corey Anton: https://www.amazon.com/Non-being-Haunts-Being-Possibilities-Communication-ebook/dp/B08MDL3LX7/ Explore courses and teachings from The Lectern: https://lectern.johnvervaeke.com/ Support The Lectern on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke Follow John Vervaeke: Website: https://johnvervaeke.com/ X: https://x.com/DrJohnVervaeke YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke Chapters 00:00 Welcome and book praise 00:41 Nonbeing East and West 04:54 Spirituality without an afterlife 06:58 Thirst and everyday absence 09:15 Recovering Catholic roots 12:20 Reverence versus fire insurance 15:12 The Headless Way and openness 22:10 Embodiment makes relations real 24:14 No view from nowhere 27:24 Grief and mortality acceptance 31:54 Sartre meets Harding 34:45 Merleau-Ponty and psychedelics 37:55 A community of the dying 38:35 Epicurus on the fear of death 40:56 Dignity and dying 42:47 The right to die<br data-start="2317" data-e
- Aug 3, 20261h 9m
Notes on No-Thing: John Vervaeke on Nihilism, the Kyoto School, and the Sacred
What if nihilism is not the end of meaning, but an opening into a deeper way of seeing? John Vervaeke is joined by Ethan Hsieh to introduce Notes on No-Thing, a course on the Kyoto School of Philosophy and its response to nihilism, nothingness, and the advent of the sacred. They explore why modern people often oscillate between nihilism and narcissism, why meaning must be shareable, and how the Kyoto School offers a different way through the meaning crisis. Rather than treating nothingness as a wound to be covered over with distraction, John considers it as an aperture—a way of seeing through nihilism toward a renewed encounter with reality, religion, sacredness, and transformation. The conversation draws on Nishida, Nishitani, and Tanabe alongside Zen, Neoplatonism, Nietzsche, Dostoevsky, Heidegger, Sartre, grief, shame, the death of God, and post-Christian nihilism. It asks what a post-nihilistic understanding of the sacred might make possible. Notes on No-Thing runs September 14–November 9, with no class on October 26. Learn more and register: https://lectern.johnvervaeke.com/courses/notes-on-no-thing Explore courses and teachings from The Lectern: https://lectern.johnvervaeke.com/ Support The Lectern on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke Connect with John Vervaeke: Website: https://johnvervaeke.com/ X: https://twitter.com/vervaeke_john YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke Chapters 00:00 Nothingness as an opening 00:40 Welcome to The Lectern 01:20 Why this course matters 03:10 The Kyoto School and nihilism 07:10 Beyond nihilism and the sacred 11:10 The everyday voice of nihilism 12:30 Nihilism and clinical depression 17:20 The clenched fist analogy 20:50 Forms of nihilism 25:00 Beyond familiar Western religious frameworks 26:00 From hole to aperture 27:00 Grief, loss, and reality 29:10 Narcissism as a response to nihilism 32:40 Why meaning must be shareable 35:10 Nishitani and self-overcoming 37:20 Nihilism and narcissism 38:30 The Kyoto School as a dialogical partner 45:20 Nietzsche, Christianit
- Jul 25, 202655 min
Reconnect to the Real: Vervaeke, Sengstock, and Koch on Nature, Circling, and Socratic Practice
Why are we losing our taste for what is real—and what practices can help us recover it? John Vervaeke is joined by Guy Sengstock and Kyle Koch for a conversation on connection as something constitutive of who we are: our relationship to nature, one another, story, personhood, and the sacred. Together, they explore the practices behind the Reconnecting to the Real retreat in Whistler, British Columbia. Kyle shares how nature connection, tracking, bird language, and embodied practice can transform how we perceive and participate in the world. Guy brings the relational depth of Circling, considering how conversation can become a practice of presence, listening, and genuine contact. John situates these practices within his work on the meaning crisis, Socratic dialogue, wisdom, and the renewal of the senses. The conversation moves from fire, forest, and shared meals to deeper questions of flourishing, AI and virtual mediation, touch and taste, and how we can develop a more participatory relationship with reality. Learn more about the Reconnecting to the Real retreat: https://lnkd.in/erVwif6A Explore courses and teachings from The Lectern: https://lectern.johnvervaeke.com/ Support The Lectern on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke Connect with John Vervaeke: Website: https://johnvervaeke.com/ X: https://twitter.com/vervaeke_john YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke Chapters 00:00 Welcome to The Lectern 00:40 Reconnecting to the Real 01:20 Nature connection and meaning 04:20 Discovering Circling 07:20 Tending the earth and togetherness 13:20 Socrates, meaning, and dialogue 18:20 Retreat as practice and participation 24:20 Facilitating rather than lecturing 30:40 The senses reaching toward the world 36:00 Why connection restores energy and life 41:40 Touch, contact, and the real 43:20 Taste and spiritual perception 46:00 The skill that unlocks a life 48:00 Shared meals and tasting together 51:20 Renewing the senses 52:20 Flourishing and the real 54:30 Closing reflections
- Jul 16, 202655 min
Parenting, Meaning, and Reconnecting with the Real
Is civilization making us smarter while disconnecting us from what matters most? In this episode, John Vervaeke speaks with Kyle Koch, a deep nature connection practitioner and new father living in an intentional community in northern British Columbia, about applying Vervaeke's work to raise children with belonging and connectedness. Together they explore cognition as a dynamical developmental process, how culture increasingly "raises" children through screens, and how capitalism functions as a dominant religion shaping salience and meaning. Drawing on Iain McGilchrist's work and 4E cognitive science, they discuss left-hemisphere dominance, relevance realization, extended families and credible role models, narrative as "keeping track of tracking," and the need for a meta-narrative beyond a chaos of stories. The conversation also examines kinship and Indigenous worldviews, personhood as promise-making, the "spirit of place," pilgrimage as transformative theoria, and a civium model that combines Dunbar-scale communities with a more virtuous virtual world—including retreats like Reconnecting with the Real. Timestamps 00:00 – Welcome to the Lectern 02:00 – Fatherhood and meaning 05:00 – Questions on development 06:30 – Cognition as dynamic 07:30 – Culture raises kids 09:00 – Capitalism as religion 11:00 – Alloparenting and nature 13:00 – Becoming self and person 17:30 – Trust and role models 22:00 – Narratives and consumption 26:00 – Spirit of place 31:30 – Promises and personhood 33:30 – Narrative practice tracking 39:30 – Meta-narrative challenge 43:00 – Why we cannot return 43:30 – The synergy of civilization 44:30 – Civium at Dunbar scale 46:30 – Making the virtual sacred 49:30 – Can the virtual be virtuous? 51:00 – Keeping civilization's gifts 57:30 – Hospicing modernity and cultural transition 1:00:00 – Capitalism and demographic collapse 1:02:30 – Pilgrimage and theoria 1:09:00 – Apprenticeship to sages 1:11:30 – Eldership and the sage symphony About Kyle Koch Kyle Koch is a nature connection expert who bridges philosophical concepts and embodied reality through tracking, bird language, and nature-based core routines. Coming from a background in Evolve Move Play, he helps people reclaim an innate sense of belonging within the natural world. Learn more: https://www.ecologyofconnection.com Email: kyle@ecologyofconnection.com Resources The Matter With Things: https://channelmcgilchrist.com/the-matter-with-things Evolve Move Play: https://www.evolvemoveplay.com/ Follow John Vervaeke Website: https://johnvervaeke.com/ X: https://x.com/DrJohnVervaeke YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke Thank you for listening!
- Jul 10, 20261h 44m
John Vervaeke & Guy Sengstock: Why Modernity Can't See the Sacred Anymore
What does it mean to "see God again" after modernity has taught us to look for the sacred in all the wrong ways? In this special Lectern conversation, John Vervaeke is joined by Guy Sengstock for a deep reflection on John's three-part course trilogy, Seeing God Again for the First Time. John invited Guy to watch the courses and respond not only to their arguments, but to the way the courses enact a philosophical, phenomenological, and spiritual exercise. Guy begins from his own background as co-founder of Circling, describing how relational practice opened a mystery that psychological language could not fully hold, eventually leading him into Heidegger, phenomenology, and philosophy as contemplation. From there, he draws out the personal and pedagogical arc of John's work: teaching as encounter, as vulnerability, and as a way of revealing what students are already confronted with. John describes the course as an attempt to integrate rigorous argument, phenomenological exploration, and spiritual exercise in the spirit of Socrates, Plotinus, and Pierre Hadot. Rather than define religion or God and then argue for or against them, John sets out to deconstruct the modern grammar that blocks our ability to encounter sacredness at all: the fact/value, is/ought, subjective/objective, theory/data, and meaning/measurement dichotomies. The conversation moves through Paul Tillich, William Desmond, Wittgenstein, Heidegger, Catherine Pickstock, Janet Soskice, D.C. Schindler, and 4E cognitive science, showing how analytic philosophy, continental phenomenology, and cognitive science converge in undermining modernity's inherited picture. Guy and John explore sacredness as ultimately real, ultimately orienting, ultimately transformative, and ultimately resonant; naming as relational participation rather than possession; wonder as calling self and world into question; and aletheia as truth that discloses beauty, goodness, and intelligibility. The conversation closes with the contemporary stakes of this recovery: AI, consciousness, personhood, the meaning crisis, and the alignment problem. John argues that we can no longer treat philosophy and sacredness as academic luxuries when our technologies are reshaping cognition, identity, and agency. If we are creating new kinds of intelligence, the question is not merely how to bind them to us, but how to orient them - and ourselves - toward truth, goodness, beauty, intelligibility, and the sacred. Guy Sengstock is a co-founder of Circling and a longtime teacher of relational, dialogical, and contemplative practice. His work bridges phenomenology, philosophy, facilitation, and the lived mystery of interpersonal encounter. Explore courses and other offerings from The Lectern: https://lectern.teachable.com About The Lectern The Lectern is dedicated to wisdom cultivation through dialogue, inquiry, and transformative practices. Through courses, live events, and community conversations, we seek not merely to discuss ideas, but to explore how they can shape the way we live. 00:00 Welcome to The Lectern 01:00 Why Guy is reflecting on Seeing God Again 02:00 Guy introduces his background in Circling and philosophy 04:00 Circling, mystery, and the limits of psychological language 06:00 Heidegger, Being and Time, and philosophy as contemplation 09:00 John's Socratic and Plotinian aspirations 10:30 Argument, phenomenology, and spiritual exercise 12:00 Seeing God Again, pilgrimage, and the Philosophical Silk Road 13:00 John the person, scientist, philosopher, and teacher 15:00 Teaching as existential confrontation 17:00 The manner of teaching as part of the teaching 18:00 Modernity, the meaning crisis, and sacredness 20:00 When teaching became encounter 21:00 Paul Tillich, cognitive science, and teaching virtue 23:00 William Desmond and philosophy as spiritual exercise 25:00 Teaching toward a philosophical-spiritual end 26:00 Involving the whole self without becoming self-involved 29:00 Revealing what students are already confronted with 31:00 Teaching, social phobia, and vulnerability 33:00 The sacred as deep teaching 35:00 Idealization, temptation, and participation 38:00 Naming God and the loss of relational naming 41:00 The four dichotomies of modernity 42:00 Out-rigoring the rigor 44:00 Deconstructing the grammar that blocks sacredness 45:00 Mystical traditions as phenomenological exemplars 47:00 Modernity's vertical and horizontal dichotomies 49:00 Recovering sight beyond modernity's glasses 50:00 Sacredness as ultimately real, orienting, transformative, and resonant 52:00 Why John uses atheist scholarship before apologetics 53:00 Counter-modern thought and the limits of postmodernism 55:00
- Jun 26, 20261h 25m
Live Q&A with Brendan Graham Dempsey | Questions, Dialogue, and the Pursuit of Wisdom
What is applied metatheory - and why might it matter for ordinary people trying to make sense of reality, meaning, spirituality, and complexity? In this live Q&A from The Lectern, Ethan Hsieh speaks with Brendan Graham Dempsey about metatheory, meaning-making, complexity, and the spiritual task of learning to feel at home in the universe. Brendan introduces his work as Director of Research at the Institute of Applied Metatheory and Director at Sky Meadow Institute, where he explores developmental models, metamodern thought, complexity science, worldview, value, and the sacred. The conversation begins by demystifying "meta" itself: not as abstract ivory-tower speculation, but as the human effort to build better maps of reality from an overwhelming abundance of knowledge. Ethan and Brendan examine how we are always philosophizing - asking what is true, who to trust, what matters, and how different domains of meaning relate to each other. They discuss the pitfalls of complexity, including conspiracy thinking, premature certainty, and the difficulty of staying with learning when one does not yet understand. The conversation moves through AI, mentorship, spiritual development, metaphor, phenomenology, and the challenge of describing transformative experience without over-reifying inherited symbols. Brendan frames metatheory as a way of relating different "data" of human experience - from mystical encounter to neuroscience to integral theory - without collapsing them into chaos or dogma. The episode closes with a question about perennialism, where Brendan makes a case for dynamic spirituality, interpretive humility, and pluralism not as a failure to answer, but perhaps as part of the answer itself. Brendan Graham Dempsey is Director of Research at the Institute of Applied Metatheory and Director at Sky Meadow Institute in Vermont. He is the host of the Metamodern Meaning podcast and author of the multi-volume series The Evolution of Meaning. His upcoming Lectern course, Matters Over Time, explores meaning, complexity, development, and the sacred. 00:00 Welcome and live Q&A format 01:30 Introducing Brendan Graham Dempsey 01:50 Institute of Applied Metatheory, Sky Meadow Institute, and Metamodern Meaning 02:50 The Evolution of Meaning and Matters Over Time 03:30 Why "applied metatheory" can sound intimidating 04:20 What is applied metatheory? 05:00 Big-picture thinking across human history 06:00 The impossibility of "reading everything" today 07:00 Making sense of reality from specialized knowledge 07:40 Metatheory as a way to feel at home in the universe 09:30 Why useful maps matter 09:50 We are always philosophizing 11:30 Meaning as reality continually disclosing itself 12:10 Development, wisdom, and the expanding horizon of thought 13:00 Epistemology, truth, and learning to hold complexity 14:50 Demystifying "meta" 15:20 Pitfalls in approaching complexity 16:00 Conspiracy theories and seeking complexity in the wrong places 17:40 AI, wisdom, and the demands of complex conversations 18:30 Learning, discomfort, mentors, and staying on the path 20:00 Rabbit holes vs. deeper engagement with reality 27:00 Complexity, integrity, and discernment 35:00 Metatheory, spirituality, and meaning-making frameworks 45:00 How symbols and metaphors point beyond themselves 55:00 Spiritual experience, interpretation, and inherited maps 01:06:40 The finger pointing at the moon 01:07:00 Bird watching as spiritual exercise 01:08:00 "Things happen. That was something." 01:08:50 Getting closer to lived experience 01:09:30 Phenomenology, Layman Pascal, and expanding spiritual vocabulary 01:10:30 The divine as doorway into experience 01:11:00 Mapping spiritual data without collapsing into chaos 01:12:10 Would Brendan consider himself a perennialist? 01:13:20 Dynamic spirituality, emergence, novelty, and evolution 01:15:00 Naturalizing perennial claims and studying causal dynamics 01:17:20 Near-death experience and interpretive humility 01:19:00 Ontological claims as proposals, not closures 01:20:00 Integrity, skepticism, and not being sold a worldview 01:22:40 Pluralism as part of the answer 01:24:50 Brendan's course Matters Over Time 01:25:20 Closing thanks Explore Brendan's course and other offerings: https://lectern.teachable.com About The Lectern The Lectern is dedicated to wisdom cultivation through dialogue, inquiry, and transformative practices. Through courses, live events, and community conversations, we seek not merely to discuss ideas, but to explore how they can shape the way we live. Thank you for listening!
- Jun 26, 20261h 32m
Why Wonder Is More Than Curiosity with William Desmond
What happens when wonder is reduced to curiosity, and curiosity becomes a drive to master everything? In this second conversation with William Desmond, John Vervaeke returns to the question of astonishment: not as a passing emotional state, but as a deeper opening of the mind to reality. Desmond frames scientism as a philosophical interpretation of science that tries to make all essential questions answerable through determinate method, precision, and control. Science remains valuable, but scientism forgets the more original wonder from which inquiry arises. The conversation distinguishes astonishment, perplexity, and curiosity. Curiosity seeks determinate answers, while astonishment opens us to what exceeds our mastery. Vervaeke connects this with his own distinction between the having mode and the being mode, arguing that genuine wonder is bound up with transformation rather than mere information. From there, the dialogue turns to Plato, Aristotle, Hegel, logical positivism, AI, computation, relevance realization, and insight. Desmond and Vervaeke ask whether intelligibility can be reduced to determination, or whether the most important forms of understanding depend on a living act of insight that formal systems cannot generate on their own. The final movement turns toward spiritual practice, Socrates, Jesus, the Buddha, religion, trust, and forgiveness. If modern culture suffers from a dearth of astonishment, then the recovery of meaning may require more than better arguments. It may require practices, communities, and forms of dialogue that reawaken porosity, reverence, and an openness to the sacred. Timestamps 00:00 - Introduction and the Desmond conversation so far 03:00 - Science, scientism, and the desire to make everything univocal 06:30 - Astonishment, perplexity, and curiosity 14:00 - Plato, Aristotle, and the purpose of philosophical wonder 16:30 - Having, being, mystery, and transformation 22:20 - Whether knowledge dissolves wonder 26:10 - Logical positivism and the failure of total certainty 31:30 - The four kinds of knowing and propositional tyranny 34:00 - Insight, inference, and logical systems 41:40 - Relevance realization, computation, and AI 46:30 - What intelligibility means beyond determination 50:40 - Inexhaustibility and the hyper-intelligible 58:20 - Dialectic, dialogos, and the practice of astonishment 01:03:40 - Porosity, the buffered self, and vulnerability 01:07:00 - Meaninglessness, spiritual practice, and cultural homelessness 01:12:30 - Reawakening astonishment without commodifying experience 01:14:10 - Ancient dialogue as a response to skepticism 01:17:30 - Socrates, Jesus, the Buddha, and embodied wisdom 01:22:00 - Religion, the sacred, and suspicion of God 01:27:30 - Trust, forgiveness, and cultural metanoia 01:30:20 - Closing thoughts and the next conversation Key Insights Scientism totalizes science by treating scientific method as the answer to every essential question. Astonishment is more original than curiosity because it opens inquiry rather than merely directing it toward control. Perplexity matters because some mysteries are not failures of explanation but enduring features of the human condition. Insight depends on living participation in intelligibility, not only inference or computation. AI and formal systems can imitate aspects of thought, but they do not resolve the deeper question of living noetic activity. Modern meaninglessness is intensified when institutions, practices, and role models no longer help people recover reverence and connectedness. Religion must be discussed at the level of human vulnerability, longing, trust, failure, and mystery, not only at the level of institutional critique. Resources Astonishments and Science: Engagements with William Desmond - edited by Paul Tyson William Desmond, "The Dearth of Astonishment: On Curiosity, Scientism and Thinking as Negativity" William Desmond, God and the Between Gabriel Marcel, Being and Having Bernard Lonergan, Insight Charles Taylor, A Secular Age Augustine's Cassiciacum dialogues About William Desmond William Desmond is a philosopher whose work engages metaphysics, religion, art, science, and transcendence. In this conversation, he and John Vervaeke continue their exploration of astonishment, scientism, the between, and philosophical practice. Follow The Lectern for conversations on philosophy, meaning, wisdom, and the recovery of deeper forms of knowing. Thanks for listening!
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