The Hunt for Iván Guzmán Intensifies: Ex-DEA Boss Who Hunted El Chapo on What Comes Next

On today's episode, Vince welcomes back former DEA Special Agent in Charge Ray Donovan, the man who led the hunt for El Chapo, for a breakdown of where the hunt for Iván goes next, why the Chapitos can't survive the way their father did, and what the U.S. government's new whole-of-government strategy actually looks like from the inside. Borderland is an IRONCLAD Original Chapters: (00:00) Introduction (01:31 The Chapitos on the DEA's radar during the El Chapo case (02:03) Why Iván is the last man standing in Sinaloa (03:13) CJNG fractures and the battle for Sinaloa (07:35) Iván vs. El Chapo: who's more dangerous? (11:21) Sheinbaum's shift and the new U.S.–Mexico collaboration (13:39) How the U.S. really took down El Mencho (16:18) The CJNG power vacuum (17:15) Iván Guzmán: public enemy number one (31:37) How Ray would take down Iván today (33:53) Hunting Iván vs. hunting El Chapo (35:05) China, fentanyl precursors, and the financial side (40:07) How cartels are using technology and social media Sponsors: 1st Phorm: Go to⁠ ⁠https://www.1stphorm.com/borderland⁠⁠ and get free shipping on any orders over $75, free 30 days in the app for new customers, and 110% money back guarantee on all of our products. Norwood Sawmills: Learn more about Norwood Sawmills and how you can start milling your own lumber at https://norwoodsawmills.com/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=ironclad&utm_campaign=ironclad Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices