Behind The Human with Marc Champagne

Why You Can’t Stop Chasing the Next New Thing (Ft. Eric Athas)

September 13, 2026·40 min
Episode Description from the Publisher

New York Times editor and Saying No to New author Eric Athas explores why our brains are drawn to novelty, how businesses remove the friction between desire and consumption, and why reclaiming a few moments to think could radically change the choices we make.From dopamine and social media to clutter, persuasion and the disappearing “new thing gap,” this conversation is ultimately about learning to say no to meaningless novelty so we can say yes to what actually matters.EXCITING STUFF!My second book now available for pre-order! You're Invited: A Life-Changing Conversation with History's Greatest Wisdom TeachersGet your MENTAL FITNESS BLUEPRINT here!A special thanks to our mental fitness + sweat partner Sip Saunas Connect with Marc: https://konect.to/marcchampagne Timestamps:00:00 — The question that opens every interview: “Who are you?”02:44 — Why opportunities for deep thinking are disappearing04:59 — Turning a childhood disadvantage into a strength07:39 — Inside Eric’s work at The New York Times10:09 — Navigating journalism, truth and trust in a chaotic era13:09 — Why Saying No to New is a work of journalism14:30 — The contradiction: an early adopter who learned to say no to new17:13 — When new things start creating more problems than they solve19:52 — Dopamine, discomfort and why our brains chase novelty22:23 — Thinking as a superpower in a frictionless world23:22 — The “new thing gap” — and why it has almost disappeared27:07 — The sophisticated influence machine behind what we buy30:52 — Decluttering as an audit of yesterday’s decisions32:20 — What clutter and constant task-switching do to our attention34:08 — Why saying no to new can help us discover the right kind of new35:33 — The surprising relationship between exploration and happiness37:24 — How to see novelty hiding inside familiar experiences39:46 — Finding joy in what was hiding in plain sight*Special props 👇Music: Clouds - Joakim Karud Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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