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#159 Jonathan Schooler - Exploring the Nature of Consciousness

August 31, 2026·1h 10m
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Jonathan Schooler, PhD, is a Distinguished Professor of Psychological and Brain Sciences at the University of California Santa Barbara, Director of UCSB’s Center for Mindfulness and Human Potential, and Director of the Sage Center for the Study of the Mind. His research intersects philosophy and psychology, including the relationship between mindfulness and mind-wandering and theories of consciousness. A former holder of a Tier 1 Canada Research Chair, Jonathan’s research has been featured on television shows including Closer to Truth, BBC Horizon and Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman. With over 270 scholarly publications and over 50,000 citations he is a six time recipient of the Clarivate Analytics Web of Science™ Highly Cited Researcher Award, recipient of the ScholarGPS 2025 “Top Scholar” Award as well as their “Highly Ranked Scholar-Lifetime in All Fields of Scholarly Endeavor”, and included as one of the top 100 cognitive psychologists by both ScholarGPS.com and Academicinfluence.com.    summary   Jonathan Schooler explores the nature of consciousness, the potential of the mind, and the future of scientific inquiry into the mind-body connection. Discover insights on mindfulness, openness, and the NOW model of consciousness.   Chapters   00:00 Introduction to Jonathan Schooler's Work on Consciousness 02:10 The Meta Lab and Meta Perspectives on Mind 03:17 Mindfulness in High Schools and Environmental Factors 04:17 Thoughts on Light and Circadian Rhythms 05:16 Early Influences and Curiosity About Consciousness 08:34 The Evolution of Consciousness Research and Parapsychology 12:37 The Role of Reproducibility and Meta Science 13:12 Interdisciplinary Approaches to Consciousness 14:47 The Fractal Mosaic Model of Consciousness 20:46 Practicing Mindfulness and Inner Exploration 22:15 The Significance of Breath and Body Rhythms 23:39 Flow States and Mind Wandering 26:55 Cultivating Curiosity and Openness 35:26 Synchronicity and Its Double-Edged Nature 40:01 Free Will as a Navigational Metaphor 44:17 The Impact of Technology and the Need for Balance 58:13 Future Directions: Openness, Altered States, and Anomalous Cognition 01:04:35 The Ultimate Nature of Reality and Meaning 01:09:24 Final Thoughts: Living with Humility and Love     https://metalab.psych.ucsb.edu/ https://psych.ucsb.edu/people/faculty/jonathan-schooler https://www.cmhp.ucsb.edu/   Music for episode Renick Turley SedonaFilm | Musician . Cinematographer. Editor  https://www.instagram.com/sedona_film/ https://vimeo.com/renickdp   Connect with Ryan Anderson Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/awonderjunkie/ awonderjunkie.com www.breathe4flow.com Rumble https://rumble.com/user/awonderjunkie Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@awonderjunkie iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-wondejunkie/id1739838765 Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/1CcQXpxfV9P89IrKmtV2hS?si=6519a88aef444ba0 https://vivarays.com/ryananderson Use Code : WONDER for 10% off. Incandescent lighting https://strainlesslighting.com/ 10% off use the code “WONDER” at checkout.  The content contained herein may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed, in whole or in part, without the express written permission of Breathe4Flow LLC. This presentation is intended solely for informational purposes and should not be construed as a means to diagnose, treat, or cure any condition. Furthermore, it is not to be interpreted as medical or legal advice, opinion, or recommendation. The information is for entertainment purposes. This Podcast is not medical advice or any other type of advice.  This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed in whole or in part without expressed written permission from AWonderJunkie LLC. The purpose of this conversation is to convey information. It is not intended to diagnose, treat or cure a condition; nor is it to be considered medical or legal advice, opinion or recommendation. This information is for entertainment purposes on

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