The Odyssey Books 15-16 with Jack Drury and Dr. Grabowski

Today on Ascend: The Great Books Podcast, Deacon Harrison Garlick is joined by returning mentor Dr. Frank Grabowski—Third Order Franciscan, diaconate candidate, and Dean of Faculty at Holy Family Classical School—and Latin teacher Jack Drury for a rich discussion of Odyssey Books 15 and 16.Check out all our resources on the great books!Check out Dr. Grabowski's new Substack on the great books.The conversation explores Telemachus’s maturation and homecoming, the poignant father-son reunion in the swineherd’s hut, and the deepening bonds of loyalty with Eumaeus. Listeners will enjoy thoughtful reflections on xenia (guest-friendship), Theoclymenus the mysterious prophet, Helen’s prophetic insight, Menelaus’s gracious hospitality, and the growing threat of the suitors, all while tracking themes of thumos, divine guidance, and the slow unfolding of justice.With warmth, humor, and insight, the trio unpacks Homer’s masterful storytelling—why Telemachus must become a threat, the nobility of the “lowly” swineherd, and the beautiful (and bittersweet) dynamics of recognition and reunion. Chapters00:00 Introduction to the Great Books Podcast09:15 Telemachus' Journey: A Coming of Age Story15:25 Menelaus: The Gracious Host22:57 The Arrival of Theoclymenus: A Mysterious Prophet30:36 Odysseus and Eumaeus: Testing Loyalty31:05 The Swineherd's Loyalty and Laertes' Mystery32:41 Odysseus' Questions and Eumaeus' Story34:41 The Tragic Tale of Eumaeus38:36 Social Status vs. Moral Character41:47 The Unique Island and Divine Justice43:43 Guest Friendship and Telemachus' Choices46:25 The Reunion of Father and Son50:29 Telemachus and Odysseus: A Complex Relationship55:27 Testing Nobility and Virtue01:00:25 Divine Disguises and Recognition01:04:59 The Standard of Belief01:11:37 The Plan Against the Suitors01:18:58 The Nature of Justice and RetributionWhether you’re reading the Odyssey for the first time or returning to it with fresh eyes, this episode illuminates how these ancient books continue to form souls and speak to fatherhood, virtue, and the return to order. Perfect listening for anyone journeying through the Great Books—don’t miss it!