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- 6 days ago26 min
177: Organization & Imagination - What Happens When Actvist Artists Take Root in the System
What happens when Artists are embedded inside the systems that run the world? --- hospitals, railroads, steel mills, shipping companies, government ministries... In this episode, we explore the the strange, funny, visionary, and unexpectedly influential story of Barbara Steveni and the Artist Placement Group — a loose coalition of British artists who, beginning in the late 1960s, attempted something radical: placing artists inside the machinery of everyday institutional life not to decorate systems… but to complicate them.This show explores how artists embedded themselves inside mega-corporations and government agencies — often producing confusion, resistance, revelation, and occasionally profound organizational insight. And:* Why artists may function best not at the edges of society, but deep inside the systems shaping public life.How attention, metaphor, and observation can help institutions become more self aware and better run. * Why imagination inside organizations is often disruptive, inconvenient, and deeply necessary.Notable MentionsPeopleBarbara Steveni — British artist, organizer, and co-founder of the Artist Placement Group whose pioneering work embedded artists inside industrial, governmental, and civic systems as catalysts for institutional reflection and imagination.John Latham — Influential conceptual artist and APG collaborator whose work challenged conventional ideas about institutions, perception, time, and social systems.Ian Breakwell — British artist, filmmaker, and diarist associated with APG whose observational work explored institutional life, mental health systems, and everyday social rituals.Mierle Laderman Ukeles — Maintenance artist whose long collaboration with the New York City Department of Sanitation transformed public understanding of labor, infrastructure, and civic care.David Whyte — Poet and organizational thinker known for bringing metaphor, reflection, and human inquiry into corporate and institutional environments.Organizations & InitiativesArtist Placement Group (APG) — Radical British initiative founded in the late 1960s to place artists inside corporations, industries, and government agencies not to decorate systems, but to deepen and complicate them.Organisation and Imagination (O+I) — The later evolution of APG, continuing its investigation into the relationship between imagination, institutions, governance, and organizational culture.Intermedia Arts — Influential Minneapolis arts organization that helped pioneer artist/community development collaborations and embedded civic arts practice in the United States.The Hayward Gallery — London arts venue that hosted APG’s influential 1971 exhibition Art & Economics, bringing artists, industrialists, and public officials into direct dialogue.Projects, Concepts & EventsArt & Economics / INN70 — Landmark APG exhibition and public experiment exploring relationships between artists, economics, bureaucracy, and institutional life.Incidental Person — John Latham’s concept describing artists embedded within institutions as independent observers capable of perceiving what bureaucratic systems themselves no longer notice.John Latham and the Scottish Bing Projects — Exploration of Latham’s visionary proposal to reconceive Scottish industrial spoil heaps as cultural memory a
- 1 weeks ago32 min
176: Are Art & Upheaval Incompatible or Inevitable? You Decide
Are Art and Upheaval totallyincompatible or unavoidably connected?We’re rebroadcasting this episode from 2022, in part, because the ground beneath it hasn’t settled—it’s shifted, cracked, and in some places, caught fire again. The headlines keep reminding us: conflict, repression, dislocation, the slow erosion—and sometimes the sudden collapse—of trust in our institutions and in each other.And right there, in the middle of it, the same quiet, stubborn truth this episode points to: if you scratch the surface of upheaval, you will find artists. Not on the sidelines—on the frontlines. Bearing witness. Making meaning. Holding the line while other systems falose thier grip.Three things to listen for as you step in:First, the insistence that art is not ornamental in times of crisis—it’s operational. It does real work in real conditions.Second, the pattern: loss, rupture, and then—again and again—creative acts that stitch something back together. Not perfectly. But enough to move forward.And third, the wager at the heart of it all: that imagination isn’t an escape from reality—it’s a tool for reshaping it.Some people still think you can’t beat the devil with a song.Listen closely.Then decide for yourself.Notable MentionsFor this episode of Change the Story Change the World we are going to revisit some of those Art and Upheaval stories along with the song of the same name to make a point. Yea, some people think you can’t beat the devil with a song, but they don’t know!Art & Upheaval (song) From the CD Songlines by Cleveland Plainsong:Art & Upheaval: Artists at Work on the World’s Frontlines, New Village PressChange the Story Change the WorldSouth African Bill of Rights: The Bill of Rights is arguably the part of the Constitution that has had the greatest impact on life in this country. As the first words of this chapter say: "This Bill of Rights is a cornerstone of democracy in South Africa. It enshrines the rights of all people in our country and affirms the democratic values of human dignity, equality and freedom."It has also been the source of the majority of the groundbreaking rulings the Constitutional Court has handed down. To read more about selected rights and the way the Constitutional Court has interpreted them, see children's rights, women's rights, gay and lesbian rights, workers' rights and access to information.Art for Humanity: engages with multidisciplinary arts practice and a wide variety of creative practice within the context of the pressing need for the centering of social justice in our contemporary moment. Based primarily in Durban, the organization aims to support, host, document, create space for, catalyze, and help stimulate this intersection between the arts and questions of history, social transformation and social justice. Bishop Desmond Tutu: was a South African Anglican bishop and theologian, known for his work as an anti-apartheid and human rights activist. He was Bishop of Johannesburg from 1985 to 1986 and then Archbishop of Cape Town from 1986 to 1996, in both cases being the first black African to hold the position. Theologically, he sought to fuse ideas from black theology with African theology.<a href="https://cambodiatr
- 2 weeks ago45 min
175: Suzanne Firstenberg Asks: How Can Art Help Make the Unseen Visible When People Look Away?
What happens when a society loses its grip on grief and numbers replace names? In this episode, social practice artist Suzanne Firstenberg turns national tragedy into human encounter, asking a simple but destabilizing question: Can art make us see each other again? From a field of more than 600,000 white flags on the National Mall to immersive installations on addiction and psychological trauma,Firstenberg's work doesn't explain. It reveals. Each project begins with a question beneath the surface: not how people fall apart, but why. Not how many died, but who they were.Her process moves through research, deep listening, and public participation to transform private pain into shared space. Whether through handwritten memorials, recorded voices, or silent visual scale, she creates conditions where strangers become witnesses. What emerges is not consensus, but connection. In a culture fractured by disinformation, fear, and isolation, Firstenberg reframes the problem:Extremism behaves like addiction because it is reinforced by dopamine and sustained by repetition. Anger is often grief in disguise. Community is not optional. It's the mechanism of healing. Her current work asks a quiet but radical question: "Can we be we again?". It’s an invitation, not a slogan. This episode offers more than insight. It offers a practice that includes paying attention to what's unseen, asking better questions, and staying in the conversation, especially when it's hard. The work of art, at its most useful, is not to decorate the world, but to make us more capable of living in it.Notable Mentions People Suzanne Firstenberg: Social practice artist known for large-scale, public installations addressing grief and public memoryEleanor Roosevelt: Former First Lady and human rights advocate whose mentorship shaped early social policy workDan Patrick: Texas Lieutenant Governor whose early pandemic comments influenced the conceptual framing of Firstenberg’s memorial work Pablo Picasso: An artist whose painting informs Firstenberg’s large-scale historical documentation workOrganizations Charles F. Kettering Foundation:The Charles F. Kettering Foundation, headquartered in Dayton, Ohio, is a nonpartisan, nonprofit, operating foundation with a mission to advance inclusive democracies worldwide by fostering citizen engagement,promoting government accountability, and countering authoritarianism.Democracy and the Arts: The Kettering Foundation's focus area for integrating the power of the arts into democratic life locally, nationally, and globallyNational Park Service: Federal agency that partnered in hosting In America: Remember, Firstenberg’s National Mall InstallationThe Washington Post: Coverage of COVID death framing that helped catalyze In America: RememberWUSA9 (CBS Washington DC) — Produced documentary coverage of In America: Remember Rupert Landscape : Landscape contractor that helped install In America: Remember Events & Places In America: Remember: Suzanne Firstenberg’s 2021 Washington D.C. installation honoring individuals who have died from COVID-19COVID19 Pandemic — CDC Overview: A CDC overview of the global health crisis that forms the central context for In Americ
- 4 weeks ago53 min
174: Anne Cleveland - How Arts-infused Education Supports Democracy
Active citizenship isn’t just a buzzword; it’s a life path that can be cultivated from a young age.That’s exactly what Ann Cleveland, a Waldorf educator, dives into with us. In our conversation she takes a deep look at how arts-infused education transforms kids into engaged citizens.Forget the boring lectures about democracy; here, kids are living it through music, movement, and storytelling. Ann shares how children practice collaboration and empathy every single day in the classroom, honing the skills they’ll need to navigate the complex social fabric of the world around them.This isn’t just enrichment; it’s the core of their learning experience! Ann emphasizes how arts integrated education helps kids develop self-regulation and attention – essential tools for any democratic society. Anne paints a picture of the classroom as a vibrant community where every voice matters, and every action has purpose.As we riff on the importance of rhythm and repetition, we discover that it’s not just about keeping kids entertained; it’s about grounding them in their bodies and helping them learn to connect with others. Ann’s insights on how the Waldorf approach fosters a sense of belonging and interdependence are not just fascinating; they’re vital in today’s world where the idea of community often feels fractured. So, grab your paintbrush or a musical instrument, and let’s explore how the arts are more than just a creative outlet—they’re a pathway to active, engaged citizenship!Notable MentionsPeopleAnne Cleveland: Waldorf educator, musician, and movement teacher interviewed in this episode about arts-infused education, sensory integration, and democratic practice.Rudolf Steiner: Austrian thinker and founder of anthroposophy whose educational ideas led to Waldorf schooling.Elsa Gotkins: Waldorf educator and mentor cited by Anne Cleveland for her approach to teaching students to listen closely and make non-judgmental observations in music.Bill Cleveland: Host of Art Is Change and director of the Center for the Study of Art & Community.Judy Munsen: Composer and sound designer for Art Is Change.Andre Nnebe: Text editor for Art Is Change.PlacesSanta Cruz Waldorf School: California Waldorf school cited by Anne Cleveland as her current teaching community.Association of Waldorf Schools of North America: North American membership organization for independent Waldorf schools and institutes; a reliable overview source for Waldorf education in the U.S., Canada, and Mexico.Center for the Study of Art & Community: Producing organization behind Art Is Change.Events / PracticesWaldorf Education: Arts-integrated educational approach referenced throughout the episode, emphasizing developmental stages, imagination, embodiment, and community life.May Faire / school festivals at Santa Cruz Waldorf School: School-based festivals and seasonal rituals, including the Maypole tradition Anne discusses as part of rhythm, anticipation, and shared community practice.Santa Cruz Waldorf School curriculum: Official school description of its class-teacher model and holistic developmental curriculum, closely aligned with what Anne describes in the interview.Waldorf Class Plays: Annual whole-class theater productions discussed in the interview as a recurring exercise in collaboration, responsibility, and shared purpose.Seed Song: Anne Cleveland’s improvised classroom music-and-movement exercise that helped a dysregulated group of children settle, imagine, and reconnect.PublicationsHelping Children on Their Way: Educational Support for the Classroom — Elizabeth Auer, editor: Collection of classroom support essays on helpin
- Apr 15, 202616 min
173: ART IS CHANGE – ART IS RESISTANCE
ART IS CHANGE – Art is ResistanceWhat happens when freedom of expression is under pressure? When speech narrows, fear rises, and the future feels smaller than it should?In this episode, we explore how activist artists and cultural organizers have historically stepped into these moments—not as decoration or entertainment, but as essential agents of democratic life. Through vivid stories from different times and places, the episode reveals how cultural practice reshapes what people believe is possible.In this episode, you’ll hear:How public murals in post-revolutionary Mexico helped people see themselves as part of historyHow a single performance of “Strange Fruit” forced audiences to confront racial violence they had learned to ignoreHow participatory theater in Brazil turned audiences into active agents of changeHow a one-minute protest by Pussy Riot disrupted authoritarian control and spread globallyThese stories point to a deeper truth: resistance is not only political—it is cultural, emotional, and imaginative. The episode offers a powerful reminder that movements endure when people can see themselves, each other, and a different future more clearly.Listen, reflect, and consider: what are the cultural practices—large or small—that help keep imagination, connection, and democracy alive in your own community?Notable MentionsPeopleDiego Rivera — Mexican muralist whose large-scale public works helped define post-revolutionary national identity by centering workers, Indigenous history, and social struggle. (https://www.britannica.com/biography/Diego-Rivera)José Clemente Orozco — Influential muralist known for his stark, often critical depictions of revolution, human suffering, and political power. (https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jose-Clemente-Orozco)David Alfaro Siqueiros — Politically engaged artist who advanced muralism as a tool for mass communication and revolutionary consciousness. (https://www.britannica.com/biography/David-Alfaro-Siqueiros)Billie Holiday — Legendary vocalist whose performance of “Strange Fruit” transformed a protest poem into a defining moment of cultural resistance. (https://www.biography.com/musicians/billie-holiday)Abel Meeropol — Teacher and activist who wrote “Strange Fruit,” one of the most powerful anti-lynching works in American history. (https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/abel-meeropol)Augusto Boal — Creator of Theatre of the Oppressed, a participatory approach that turns audiences into active agents in rehearsing social change. (https://www.britannica.com/biography/Augusto-Boal)Paulo Freire — Revolutionary educator whose ideas on critical pedagogy and liberation deeply influenced participatory arts and social change movements. (https://www.britannica.com/biography/Paulo-Freire)Organizations / MovementsMexican Muralism — A government-supported movement that brought art into public spaces to tell a people-centered story of Mexican history and identity. (https://www.theartstory.org/movement/mexican-muralism/)Theatre of the Oppressed — A global practice using interactive performance to help people explore and rehearse responses to oppression. (https://organizingengagement.org/models/theatre-of-the-oppressed/)Pussy Riot — Artist collective known for provocative public performances challenging authoritarianism and restrictions on free expression. (https://www.britannica.com/topic/Pussy-Riot)PlacesCafé Society — The first racially integrated nightclub in New York City, where Billie Holiday debuted “Strange Fruit” in 1939. (https://www.nyhistory.org/blogs/cafe-society-and-strange-fruit)Cathedral of Christ the Savior — Site of Pussy Riot’s 2012 protest performance, symbolizing the intersection of religious authority and state power. (https://www.britannica.com/place/Cathedral-of-Christ-the-Savior)<
- Apr 8, 202655 min
172: Jordan Seaberry - What Use is Art Making When Freedom is Under Fire?
What use is art makingwhen freedom is under fire?From the Center for the Study of Art and Community? This is Art is Change, a chronicle of art and social change where activist artists and cultural organizers share the strategies and skills they need to thrive as creative community leaders. My name is Bill ClevelandThis episode is part of a special Art In Action series we're producing in partnership with the Charles F. Kettering Foundation Democracy and the Arts program. In these episodes, we'll be speaking with artists, cultural organizers and arts leaders who are navigating and challenging current efforts to to limit free creative expression and free speech.Together, we'll explore what freedom of expression means in practice, not as an abstract right, but as a lived responsibility at the heart of democratic life.This show features my conversation with painter, organizer, educator and “root waterer” Jordan Seaberry,about what happens when art moves beyond decoration and entertainment and becomes a powerful civic practice for listening, organizing and building people power. Jordan's work, which spans painting, policy, comics, teaching and movement building, is all grounded in the conviction that human creativity is not extra.Along the way, we follow Jordan's journey from the south side of Chicago to the Rhode Island School of Design, otherwise known as RISD, to Oregon organizing around prisoners rights, studying at Roger Williams University School of Law, and helping lead the US Department of Art and Culture.In it we will learn about:* How Jordan's life as a painter and organizer came together from RISD disillusionment to grassroots organizing, law school teaching and cultural strategy.* Why listening is central to both art art and organizing. Whether the canvas becomes an ear or an organizer helps someone rehear their own life with dignity* How artists can generate real civic power by joining movements, helping build alternative systems, and challenging dominant institutions from both inside and the street.Notable MentionsPeopleJordan Seaberry — Painter, organizer, educator, and co-director at the U.S. Department of Arts and Culture, whose practice bridges painting, policy, comics, and movement work.Adam Horowitz — Founding leader in the creation of the U.S. Department of Arts and Culture’s people-powered national framework.Arlene Goldbard — Writer, speaker, and longtime cultural activist who helped shape USDAC’s founding vision.Gabriel Baez — Cultural organizer and early USDAC leader involved in its national development.Jonathan Highfield — RISD faculty member and an important mentor in Jordan’s political and intellectual formation.Carlton Turner — Artist, organizer, and co-founder of Sipp Culture, building rural cultural infrastructure in Mississippi.Brandi Turner — Co-director of Sipp Culture and key partner in its community-rooted cultural work.Dan Denvir — Host of The Dig, the podcast Jordan names as a useful guide in making sense of the current political moment.Nadine Bloch — Activist, trainer, and creative strategist with Beautiful Trouble, mentioned in connection with artists against authoritarianism work.Michelle Alexander — Civil rights advocate and author of The New Jim Crow, one of the books Jordan cites as deeply influential.Richard Powers — Novelist and author of Bewilderment and The Overstory, both named in Jordan’s recommendations.Jon Fogel — Author of Punishment-Free Parenting, which Jordan connects to b
- Apr 1, 202615 min
171: Artist Proof Studio - What Can We Learn From Activist Artists in South Africa
What does it actually take to build a democracy the people own?The Artist Proof story takes us to Johannesburg, where a print studio becomes a living laboratory for a new society. We also hear about:• A court built as art, where law and lived experience meet in the same space• A collective studio where artists divided by apartheid learn to work, argue, and make meaning together• A fire, a death, and a return to the ashes—where broken pieces become the raw material for rebuildingWhat emerges isn’t a heroic artist story. It’s something quieter and more durable: a way of working where creativity becomes infrastructure—where access, collaboration, and persistence slowly reshape how people see themselves and each other. Not a moment. A practice. Not a symbol. A system.Stay with this. There’s something here about how change really happens—how culture does the long work that politics alone can’t finish.NOTABLE MENTIONSOrganizations & PlacesArtist Proof StudioA Johannesburg-based printmaking and training center founded in 1991, focused on access, collaboration, and professional development for emerging artists across South Africa and the continent.Constitution HillHistoric site of South Africa’s Constitutional Court, built on a former prison complex and integrating art into its architecture as part of democratic nation-building.PeopleKim BermanArtist, educator, and co-founder of Artist Proof Studio, known for her work in printmaking and arts education tied to social transformation.Nelson MandelaAnti-apartheid leader and South Africa’s first democratically elected president, whose release in 1990 marked a turning point in the country’s transition.Albert LutuliNobel Peace Prize laureate and president of the African National Congress, imprisoned during apartheid.Joe SlovoKey leader in the anti-apartheid struggle and later a government minister in democratic South Africa.Mahatma GandhiLived and organized in South Africa early in his career; his imprisonment there shaped his philosophy of nonviolent resistance.EventsHuman Rights DayCommemorated on March 21, marking the Sharpeville Massacre and honoring the struggle for human rights in South Africa.End of ApartheidThe dismantling of South Africa’s system of racial segregation and the transition to democratic governance in the early 1990s.Institutions & MediaSouth African Broadcasting CorporationSouth Africa’s public broadcaster, covering national cultural and economic developments including the arts sector.*****Art Is CHANGE is a podcast that chronicles the power of art and community transformation, providing a platform for activist artists to share their experiences and gain the skills and strategies they need to thrive as agents of social change.Through compelling conversations with artist activists, artivists, and cultural organizers, the podcast explores how art and activism intersect to fuel cultural transformation and drive meaningful change. Guests discuss the challenges and triumphs of community arts, socially engaged art, and creative placemaking, offering insights into artist mentorship, building credibility, and communicating impact.Episodes delve into the realities of artist isolation, burnout, and funding for artists, while celebrating the role of artists in residence and creative leadership in shaping a more just and inclusive world. Whether you’re an emerging or established artist for social justice, this podcast offers inspiration, practical advice, and a sense of solidarity in the journey toward art and social chang
- Mar 25, 202645 min
170: Is Community Based-art Making at the Heart of Cultural Democracy?
Is Community-Based Artmaking at the Heart of Cultural Democracy?In this conversation, community arts organizer, educator and theater maker Matt Schwarzman describes his mission to make collaborative art making a regular, normal, expected part of everyday life. A movement that has quietly grown for decades, but now faces a new test in a time of democratic strain.Along the way, he traces his influences from John o' Neill and the Free Southern the to the grassroots cultural movements of the 1980s and 90s that helped shape a generation of artists who see culture not as decoration but as civic infrastructure.Matt's journey winds through several decades of cultural organizing from sea to era arts jobs in Philadelphia to community organizing in Oakland and youth theater in post Katrina New Orleans.Across these projects, a single thread emerges the idea that community arts is a learnable, cross sector civic practice, an amalgam of organizing, teaching and art making.In our conversation, we talk about:The influence of seminal cultural leaders like John O'Neal, whose minimalist storytelling and story circle methodology help build national networks of cultural democracyHow youth arts programs can serve as modern rites of passage that help young people claim civic voice and leadershipAnd how storytelling, imagination and collective creation are foundational skills for sustaining democratic life.Notable MentionsPeopleMat Schwarzman – Trinity City ArtsCommunity arts organizer, educator, theater maker, and co-creator of Trinity City Comics and A Beginner’s Guide to Community-Based Arts.John O’Neal – SNCC Digital GatewayPlaywright, storyteller, organizer, and founder of Junebug Productions; a key influence on Schwarzman’s understanding of cultural democracy and story circles.Keith Knight – K ChroniclesCartoonist and collaborator with Mat Schwarzman on A Beginner’s Guide to Community-Based Arts.Rhodessa Jones – Cornell Arts & SciencesPerformer, teacher, and co-artistic director of Cultural Odyssey, cited in the episode through her theater work with formerly incarcerated women.Rinku SenOrganizer, strategist, and writer whose work at the Center for Third World Organizing helped shape Schwarzman’s understanding of community organizing.Gary Delgado – American UniversityOrganizer, scholar, and founder of the Center for Third World Organizing; one of the people Schwarzman credits with teaching him organizing practice.Steve Prince – Studio WebsiteArtist and educator who worked with Trinity City Arts and helped mentor youth comic-makers on Trinity City Comics.Judith Malina – The Living TheatreCo-founder of the Living Theatre, referenced for her writing on the artist’s role during periods of counter-revolution.Octavia E. Butler – Hachette author pageVisionary novelist whose Afrofuturist imagination and Parable novels deeply influence Schwarzman’s current work.Robert M. Sapolsky – Stanford ProfileNeuroscientist and writer whose work on behavior, biology, and violence informs Schwarzman’s thinking.PlacesNew Orleans / BolbanchaSchwarzman’s home base and the setti
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Can your art help dismantle injustice, shift systems, or spark healing in places like homeless shelters, emergency rooms, or city planning meetings?If you’re passionate about making a real difference through creativity, ART IS CHANGE (formerly known as Change the Story / Change the World) is your front-row seat to the real-world impact of art and social change. Hosted by author, musician, and researcher Bill Cleveland, each episode brings you deep into the lives and work of activist artists and cultural organizers who are doing more than dreaming—they’re transforming communities around the world.You’ll discover:• Proven strategies for thriving as an artist for change in complex, real-world settings• How to build meaningful, lasting partnerships that support your mission and your art• Lessons from global leaders creating cultural blueprints for justice, empathy, and resilience▶️ Start with fan-favorite Episodes 86 and 87: Lessons From an Art and Change Pioneer—a double-dose of ins
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