American Alchemy with Jesse Michels
Former NSA Director Breaks Silence on UFOs
April 26, 2026·3h 1minterviewscience
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A former NSA director of research and a physician-scientist couple apply rigorous scientific methodology to UFOs, consciousness, and human biology, arguing that unexplained phenomena should excite scientists rather than be dismissed, and that reality is far stranger than current models su
A former NSA director of research and a physician-scientist couple apply rigorous scientific methodology to UFOs, consciousness, and human biology, arguing that unexplained phenomena should excite scientists rather than be dismissed, and that reality is far stranger than current models su
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Eric Hazeltine, Chris Gilbert
interview on American Alchemy with Jesse Michels
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People
Eric HazeltineChris GilbertMarvin MinskyJames ClapperMike Rogers
Books
The New Science of UFOsby Eric Hazeltine, Chris GilbertThe Shadow of Timeby Eric Hazeltine, Chris GilbertThe Listening Cureby Chris Gilbert
Topics
Artificial IntelligenceNeuroscienceScientific Method
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