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China graduates 2 million engineers a year. The U.S. graduates 150,000. Jeff Towson has spent 17 years on the ground in China studying what that gap actually produces.In this 90-minute conversation on The Vibe, Jeff breaks down how Huawei rebuilt its supply chain after the 2019 U.S. entity list ban, how open-weight models like DeepSeek V4 and Alibaba's Qwen are pulling Silicon Valley costs down by 90 percent, and why he thinks the U.S. strategy of cutting China off from AI chips is "kind of evil" given that AI is a general-purpose technology like electricity.We also cover:The CloudMatrix and Ascend chip rollout that creates a fully independent Chinese AI stackWhy Unitree went from a basic humanoid to kung-fu-capable robots in 12 months, and how Galbot fits into the pictureElon's vertical integration play across Tesla, xAI, Colossus, and Optimus, and why it doesn't look like a typical investor strategyThe Brockman-Altman lawsuit and what it reveals about who we actually trust to govern informationHard America vs. soft America, and where universal basic income lands in that splitWhy drug discovery may be where the U.S. has its own China-scale advantageInfo-nationalism, the Manus deal, and why AI is political ground that video generation isn'tJeff is the founder of TechMoat Consulting, host of The Tech Strategy Podcast, and author of the Moats and Marathons book series. He was formerly Head of Direct Investments for Middle East North Africa and Asia Pacific for Prince Alwaleed. He has 2.9M+ LinkedIn followers and was the #1 LinkedIn Top Voice for Finance globally in 2017.Jeff's work:The Tech Strategy Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-tech-strategy-podcast/id1482008042Website: https://jefftowson.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffrey-towson-%E9%99%B6%E8%BF%85-b77906/Connect with Jason Padgett:Email: jason@mycitizen.aiLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-grant-padgett/X: https://x.com/NoCodeCAIODirector of Growth and Partnerships, CitizenAIAGI Podcast Network:Schools Out Saturdays: https://schoolsout.agipodcast.ai/Field Notes newsletter: https://schoolsout.agipodcast.ai/field-notes-issue-1All shows: https://schoolsout.agipodcast.ai/networkTools Jason recommends:MindStudio → https://get.mindstudio.ai/q7n7u5cttkdqRiverside.fm → https://riverside.sjv.io/e1xyBrWispr Flow → https://ref.wisprflow.ai/jason-padgett
Most AI in education conversations skip elementary school. This AI podcast episode starts there. Zionsville Community Schools Digital Learning Coach Stevie Frank walks through what K-8 AI literacy actually looks like in a district that never blocked ChatGPT.Stevie supports three K-8 buildings and teaches kindergartners that "AI is a robot, not a her." Jason and Stevie met days earlier at the Keep Indiana Learning AI Symposium and picked the conversation up here. They cover age-appropriate AI conversations from kindergarten through eighth grade, the Snapchat AI moment every parent should stress-test with their kid, and the Adobe Ambassador program Stevie runs that's pulling young girls into digital creation.Key topics covered:AI in elementary schools and K-8 AI literacy strategyWhy Zionsville Community Schools never blocked ChatGPTMagic School platform with teacher guardrails for elementary studentsWorld Economic Forum 2025 Future of Jobs Report and social presence as a hiring signalDigital portfolios replacing AI-generated resumes in an AI-screened worldAdobe Express Ambassadors and getting young girls into EdTechWomen's representation at AI and EdTech decision-making tablesNews Literacy Project and teaching critical thinking before AIIf you teach K-8, lead a district, or are a parent trying to navigate AI conversations at home, this episode gives you specific, grade-appropriate places to start.About Stevie Frank: Technology Integration Specialist at Zionsville Community Schools, ISTE 2026 Featured Voice, Microsoft Innovative Educator Fellow, Adobe Express Creative Innovator. Educational consultant and keynote speaker based in Zionsville, Indiana.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevie-frank-433403234/Zionsville Community Schools: https://www.zcs.k12.in.us/Resources mentioned:Magic School → https://www.magicschool.ai/Adobe Express → https://www.adobe.com/express/Keep Indiana Learning → https://keepindianalearning.org/WEF 2025 Future of Jobs Report → https://www.weforum.org/publications/the-future-of-jobs-report-2025/News Literacy Project → https://newslit.org/The Last Invention podcast → https://www.thelastinvention.show/Work with Jason → jason@mycitizen.aiLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-grant-padgett/X: https://x.com/NoCodeCAIONewsletter (No Code CAIO) → https://www.linkedin.com/build-relation/newsletter-follow?entityUrn=7399599285849346048Available for interviews and keynotes on AI in education → jason@mycitizen.aiSchool's Out Saturdays → https://schoolsout.agipodcast.ai/We're listing AI in education events around Indiana on the site.AGI Podcast shows:School's Out Saturdays: AI in education, K-12 through universityWeekly Blitz: AI news every Monday, 30-45 minutesThe Vibe: Deep conversations, no time limitAll platforms: https://linktr.ee/AGIPodcastFollow: Facebook + LinkedIn @AGIPodcast | Instagram @AGISchoolsout | X @NoCodeCAIOTools Jason recommends:MindStudio → https://get.mindstudio.ai/q7n7u5cttkdqRiverside.fm → https://riverside.sjv.io/e1xyBrWispr Flow → https://ref.wisprflow.ai/jason-padgett
275 million records stolen, 9,000 institutions hit during finals week. Ashton Schultz joins Jason on the Weekly Blitz to unpack the Canvas data breach, Anthropic's surprise compute deal with Elon's Colossus data center, and why Microsoft Copilot is the most pragmatic AI tool for locked-down enterprise environments. Ashton, a 19-year tech distribution veteran and founder of Spicy Brain Speaks, also breaks down how AI note-takers like Plaud are removing administrative friction for ADHD professionals in sales.Key topics covered:The Canvas / Instructure data breach: 275M records, 9,000 institutions, finals week timingWhy Purdue avoided the breach and what Carmel schools still aren't teaching about AIThe Anthropic-xAI Colossus compute deal and Anthropic's 80x revenue growthWhy Microsoft Copilot grounded in M365 data outperforms its public reputationBrowser-use AI agents and where Facebook's guardrails kill the use casePlaud AI note-takers, transparency in meeting recording, and trust collapse riskIf you don't know how to code, AI helps you. If you do, it's a multiplier. The same applies to AI in your workflow: stop overthinking the use case and start with what you hate doing most.About Ashton Schultz:Strategic Account Manager and founder of Spicy Brain Speaks, focused on the "human-AI handshake" and AI-powered neuroinclusive solutions for the workplace. 18+ years leading enterprise tech rollouts and Microsoft AI ecosystem deployments. Based in Indianapolis. Member of the Indiana AI Innovators Network.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonschultz/Spicy Brain Speaks: https://spicybrainspeaks.com/Connect with Jason Padgett:Director of Growth and Partnerships, CitizenAI📧 jason@mycitizen.aiLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-grant-padgett/X: https://x.com/NoCodeCAIONewsletter (No Code CAIO): https://www.linkedin.com/build-relation/newsletter-follow?entityUrn=7399599285849346048The AGI PodcastSchool's Out Saturdays: https://schoolsout.agipodcast.ai/School's Out Field Notes (weekly newsletter for K-12 educators) → https://schoolsout.agipodcast.ai/field-notes-issue-1Available for interviews and keynotes on AI in education → We're tracking AI in education events around Indiana on the site. Post an event or book Jason as a speaker → https://schoolsout.agipodcast.ai/eventsAGI Podcast network (all shows): https://schoolsout.agipodcast.ai/networkSchool's Out Saturdays: AI in education, K-12 through universityThe Weekly Blitz: AI news every Monday, 30-45 minutes (co-hosted with Julie Koehrer)The Vibe: Long-form deep conversations, no time limitTools Jason recommends:MindStudio → https://get.mindstudio.ai/q7n7u5cttkdqRiverside.fm → https://riverside.sjv.io/e1xyBrWispr Flow → https://ref.wisprflow.ai/jason-padgettResources mentioned:Canvas / Instructure → https://www.instructure.comMicrosoft Copilot → https://copilot.microsoft.comAnthropic → https://www.anthropic.comPlaud AI Note Taker → https://www.plaud.aiNotebookLM → https://notebooklm.google.comTechPoint Indiana → https://techpoint.orgSpicy Brain Speaks → https://spicybrainspeaks.com
A Purdue computer science junior stood outside Chicago Union Station with a sign that said "Can AI do this?" The response surprised him, and the conversation that followed surprised Jason. Ethan Dawes joins School's Out Saturdays to talk about why mass-applying for jobs is broken, where CS students should actually look for opportunity in 2026, and what AI in education needs to look like for it to actually work.Key topics covered:How a Purdue CS student went viral by holding a sign in ChicagoWhy entry-level CS jobs at big tech companies are frozen and where the real opportunity isThe case for small and medium businesses hiring CS grads to navigate AI implementationGitHub vs. portfolio websites for non-technical hiring managersAI scaffolding in education and the zone of proximal developmentOral exams as a verification tool when AI can write any essayAnthropomorphism and sycophancy in LLMs (and what kids need to learn early)Emergent behaviors in large language models and the Claude blackmail experimentIf you don't know how to code, AI helps you. If you do know how to code, AI is a multiplier. That's the line that should be on every CS career services flyer in 2026.About Ethan Dawes:Computer Science junior at Purdue University, Residence Hall Association leader, Purdue Hackers member.→ Looking for a summer internship!!!LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ethan-dawes/GitHub: https://github.com/EthanDawesOriginal Chicago post: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ethan-dawes_yesterday-i-went-to-chicago-to-prove-that-share-7452910184731029504-t5_LConnect with Jason Padgett:Director of Growth and Partnerships, CitizenAI📧 jason@mycitizen.aiLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-grant-padgett/X: https://x.com/NoCodeCAIONewsletter (No Code CAIO): https://www.linkedin.com/build-relation/newsletter-follow?entityUrn=7399599285849346048The AGI PodcastSchool's Out Saturdays: https://schoolsout.agipodcast.ai/School's Out Field Notes (weekly newsletter for K-12 educators) → https://schoolsout.agipodcast.ai/field-notes-issue-1Available for interviews and keynotes on AI in education → jason@mycitizen.aiWe're tracking AI in education events around Indiana on the site. Post an event or book Jason as a speaker → https://schoolsout.agipodcast.ai/eventsAGI Podcast network (all shows): https://schoolsout.agipodcast.ai/networkSchool's Out Saturdays: AI in education, K-12 through universityThe Weekly Blitz: AI news every Monday, 30-45 minutes (co-hosted with Julie Koehrer)The Vibe: Long-form deep conversations, no time limitTools Jason recommends:MindStudio → https://get.mindstudio.ai/q7n7u5cttkdqRiverside.fm → https://riverside.sjv.io/e1xyBrWispr Flow → https://ref.wisprflow.ai/jason-padgettResources mentioned:Purdue Hackers → https://www.purduehackers.comGreater Lafayette Commerce Rise & Shine → https://www.greaterlafayettecommerce.comMatchbox Coworking Studio → https://www.matchboxlafayette.comClaude → https://www.claude.comReplit → https://replit.comLovable → https://lovable.devCursor → https://cursor.com
What's the difference between ChatGPT and Magic School AI inside a K-12 classroom? Tanika Kinartail, Professional Learning Specialist at the Central Indiana Educational Service Center (CIESC), joins host Jason Padgett to answer that question and a dozen others educators are asking in 2026.Key topics covered:- Magic School AI vs ChatGPT: how vertical AI handles a frustrated student differently- Teacher buy-in vs. teacher efficacy, and why one is compliance and the other is capacity- The iceberg problem: why AI output is the tip and student process is everything underneath- The work-based learning gap: schools and industry passing the AI responsibility back and forth- Why Tanika tells her 9th-grade daughter to follow skills, not passion- CIESC's train-the-trainer model for districts with no PD budget and no subs- Preview of the May 12 AI Symposium at the Pyramids in Indianapolis (for instructional leaders, not just teachers)- Writing feedback tools, 34 fifth graders, and how one AI feature could have saved a pregnant teacher's sanityBottom line: AI is not here to replace teachers. The teachers and students who learn to use it well will be the ones who move the needle on student achievement. And right now, Indiana is finally catching up.About Tanika Kinartail: Professional Learning Specialist at CIESC, Adjunct Faculty at Ivy Tech Indianapolis, certified MagicSchool AI Trainer, SIOP certified, 19 years in Indiana education. IU Bloomington alumna. Brownsburg, Indiana.Connect with Tanika Kinartail:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tanika-kinartailCIESC: https://ciesc.org/Keep Indiana Learning: https://keepindianalearning.org/Register for the CIESC AI Symposium → keepindianalearning.orgWork with Jason → jason@mycitizen.aiNewsletter → linkedin.com/build-relation/newsletter-follow?entityUrn=7399599285849346048AGI Podcast shows:School's Out Saturdays: AI in education, K-12 through universityWeekly Blitz: AI news every Monday, 30-45 minutesData Bytes: Data literacy for business ownersThe Vibe: Deep conversations, no time limitAll platforms: linktr.ee/AGIPodcastFollow: Facebook + LinkedIn @AGIPodcast | Instagram @AGISchoolsout | X @NoCodeCAIOTools Jason recommends:MindStudio → get.mindstudio.ai/q7n7u5cttkdqRiverside.fm → riverside.sjv.io/e1xyBrWispr Flow → ref.wisprflow.ai/jason-padgett
Why are AI subscriptions about to break? This week's AI podcast unpacks tokenomics, the gym-membership flaw in ChatGPT and Claude pricing, and what happens when AI agents start running 50,000 queries a minute instead of one human at a time. Plus Huawei's 7nm chip independence, the Musk vs Altman trial, and what Meta's Indiana data center should look like if big tech borrowed the solar industry's community-benefit playbook.Key topics covered:AI tokenomics and why subscription pricing collapses under agentic workloadsHuawei 7nm chips running DeepSeek and Kimi K2 outside U.S. controlOpen-source vs closed-weights vs closed AI models, in plain EnglishThe Musk vs Altman OpenAI trial and the $151 billion questionWhether OpenAI ends up as a U.S. government arm of AIAlpha School, $100K teacher salaries, and AI in K-12 compensationMeta's Lebanon, Indiana data center and community-benefit agreementsBottom line: the AI economy is about to reprice itself, and the people who quietly benefit from that shift will not be the same people getting billed for it.About Julie Koehrer:On-Air Personality at Lafayette Q106.7. 15+ years in radio and broadcast.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/juliekoehrer/Resources mentioned:OpenAI → https://openai.comAnthropic (Claude) → https://www.anthropic.comHuawei → https://www.huawei.comDeepSeek → https://www.deepseek.comKimi K2 → https://www.moonshot.cnAlpha School → https://alpha.schoolEmpire of AI by Karen Hao → https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780593657508/empireofaiWork with Jason → jason@mycitizen.aiLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-grant-padgett/X: https://x.com/NoCodeCAIONewsletters(No Code CAIO) → https://www.linkedin.com/build-relation/newsletter-follow?entityUrn=7399599285849346048(School's Out Notes from the Field) schoolsout.agipodcast.ai/field-notes-issue-1Available for interviews and keynotes on AI in education → jason@mycitizen.aiSchool's Out Saturdays → https://schoolsout.agipodcast.ai/AGI Podcast shows:School's Out Saturdays: AI in education, K-12 through universityWeekly Blitz: AI news every Monday, 30-45 minutesThe Vibe: Deep conversations, no time limitWebsite: schoolsout.agipodcast.ai/networkFollow: Facebook + LinkedIn @AGIPodcast | Instagram @AGISchoolsout | X @NoCodeCAIOTools Jason recommends:MindStudio → https://get.mindstudio.ai/q7n7u5cttkdqRiverside.fm → https://riverside.sjv.io/e1xyBrWispr Flow → https://ref.wisprflow.ai/jason-padgett
A graphic designer who uses AI every single day sits down with Jason to explain what that actually looks like – including why AI-generated logos can't be copyrighted and why ChatGPT will never give you the same output twice.Key topics covered:Using AI as a daily marketing and design tool: brain dumps, prompting strategy, and how to iterate fastWhy AI-generated logos create a copyright problem most clients don't see comingThe branding limitations of generative AI: fonts it can't name, colors that don't transfer, and outputs that all look the sameWhen should kids learn AI? Lauren changes her own answer mid-conversationAI bias explained at third-grade level: the "why did it keep hiring Jane?" exampleFailing fast with AI to get to the real solution fasterThe point guard mentality and why treating AI like a teammate beats being afraid of itLauren Dickerson is a working designer, not a tech person, and her perspective on what AI can and can't do for creative work is one of the most grounded takes you'll hear on the subject.About Lauren Dickerson: CEO and founder of Edit Me Lo Creative Agency, Indianapolis, IN. Visual identity designer, brand strategist, and creative director. Miami University graduate (Interactive Media Studies, 2020), former Division I basketball player at Miami of Ohio.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurendickerson13/Website: https://editmelo.com/Resources mentioned: ChatGPT → https://chatgpt.com/ | Claude → https://claude.ai/ | NotebookLM → https://notebooklm.google.com/ | Canva → https://www.canva.com/Work with Jason → jason@mycitizen.aiLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-grant-padgett/X: https://x.com/NoCodeCAIONewsletter (No Code CAIO) → https://www.linkedin.com/build-relation/newsletter-follow?entityUrn=7399599285849346048Available for interviews and keynotes on AI in education → jason@mycitizen.aiSchool's Out Saturdays → https://schoolsout.agipodcast.ai/We're listing AI in education events around Indiana on the site.AGI Podcast shows:School's Out Saturdays: AI in education, K-12 through universityWeekly Blitz: AI news every Monday, 30-45 minutesThe Vibe: Deep conversations, no time limitAll platforms: https://linktr.ee/AGIPodcastFollow: Facebook + LinkedIn @AGIPodcast | Instagram @AGISchoolsout | X @NoCodeCAIOTools Jason recommends:MindStudio → https://get.mindstudio.ai/q7n7u5cttkdqRiverside.fm → https://riverside.sjv.io/e1xyBrWispr Flow → https://ref.wisprflow.ai/jason-padgett
Alpha School says its students finish core academics in two hours a day and score in the top 1% nationally on MAP tests. This episode gets into how that actually works.Jason and co-host Ronda Swartz (assistant principal, nearly 30 years in Catholic K-12 education) sit down with Sofia Swanson, Head of Partnerships at Alpha School, to walk through the 2 Hour Learning model from the beginning. MacKenzie Price founded the school in Austin in 2014 after her daughters started coming home disengaged from kindergarten. What grew from 16 kids meeting in someone's home is now expanding to about 25 campuses nationwide, with hundreds more families on waitlists to bring the model to their city.Key topics covered:- How the 2 Hour Learning model works: AI-personalized academics in the morning, life skills workshops every afternoon- MAP testing results: Alpha reports top 1% nationally and 2.5x faster growth vs. peers- The selection bias question: does this only work because of wealthy, motivated families?- Five life skill categories Alpha teaches at every grade level: teamwork, storytelling, entrepreneurship, relationship building, grit- How to bring Alpha to your city: the 25 founding families model- Whether this model can reach lower-income communities (and what principal Joe Liemandt says about a billion-kid goal)If you're in Indiana and interested in bringing Alpha to the area, Jason and Ronda want to connect you with other families. Reach out at jason@mycitizen.ai.About Sofia Swanson: Head of Partnerships, Alpha SchoolLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sofiaswanson/Alpha School: https://alpha.school/Bring Alpha to Your City: https://alpha.school/bring-alpha-to-your-city/About Ronda Swartz: Assistant Principal, Catholic High School, Indianapolis. Nearly 30 years in K-12 education, 18 years in Catholic school leadership. Currently implementing School AI and exploring Gemini.LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rondaswartz3177272065/Resources mentioned:Alpha School → https://alpha.school/Bring Alpha to Your City → https://alpha.school/bring-alpha-to-your-city/Alpha School events → https://alpha.school/upcoming-events/School AI → https://schoolai.comMagic School → https://www.magicschool.ai/NWEA MAP Testing → https://www.nwea.org/assessments/map-growth/Work with Jason → jason@mycitizen.ai | Director of Growth & Partnerships, CitizenAILinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-grant-padgett/X: https://x.com/NoCodeCAIOAvailable for interviews and keynotes on AI in education → jason@mycitizen.aiSchool's Out Saturdays → https://schoolsout.agipodcast.ai/Indiana AI in Education events (including AI Education Symposium, May 12) → https://schoolsout.agipodcast.ai/eventsAGI Podcast shows:School's Out Saturdays: AI in education, K-12 through universityWeekly Blitz: AI news every Monday, 30-45 minutesThe Vibe: Deep conversations, no time limitAll platforms: https://linktr.ee/AGIPodcastFollow: Facebook + LinkedIn @AGIPodcast | Instagram @AGISchoolsout | X @NoCodeCAIOTools Jason recommends:MindStudio → https://get.mindstudio.ai/q7n7u5cttkdqRiverside.fm → https://riverside.sjv.io/e1xyBrWispr Flow → https://ref.wisprflow.ai/jason-padgett
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