
The entire stock market of Africa's biggest economy is worth about $114 billion. One refinery just outside Lagos is asking investors to value it at $50 billion. On day one. That is one company reaching for almost half of a whole national exchange, and it just opened its doors to outside money through a private placement that raised billions. So we brought in someone who actually builds the rails for this. Eke Urum walks through what the Dangote Refinery IPO really is, why he calls it "anchor infrastructure," and why he thinks it joins the short list of Nigerian companies you can almost never go wrong buying. He also names his own reservations, from the crude supply risk to the way the business has leaned on the Nigerian system. Eke Urum is the founder and CEO of Risevest, the dollar investment platform that acquired Chaka and now runs Hisa, the app letting everyday people own Nigerian and US stocks in minutes. He has spent years tearing down the paperwork that kept regular people out of the market. Sign up for Hisa - https://invite.hisa.co/7fkf/AFROPOLITAN In this episode we get into where a Nigerian in the diaspora should actually put money right now, why refineries make money from far more than fuel, the $80 to $100 billion number Eke puts on Dangote over the next decade, how private placements work and who really gets in first, the 600,000 trading accounts in a country of 200 million people, and a step by step plan to get ready for the September IPO. Become a Member of The Room (Afropolitan Private Membership) Join our private community for deeper insights and exclusive content: https://www.patreon.com/c/Afropolitanpodcast EPISODE SPONSORS Zobo Money — Zobo is a money transfer app built for Africans in the diaspora. It lets you send money from the US, UK, and Europe to countries like Nigeria, Cameroon, Ghana, and more. https://www.zobo.money/afropolitan BONUS OFFER: Use code AFROPOLITAN and get a $10 bonus when you sign up, complete your KYC, and send $50 or more to Africa. Hisa — Hisa is an all in one investing app that lets you own Nigerian and US stocks. Sign up with your BVN or NIN and start trading in minutes. https://invite.hisa.co/7fkf/AFROPOLITAN BONUS OFFER: Use code AFROPOLITAN and get your first two trades for free. Download on the App Store or Google Play. CONVO BY AFROPOLITAN Book 1:1 calls with Africa's boldest thinkers: https://convo.vip/ WHERE TO FIND EKE URUM X/Twitter: https://x.com/eldivine LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ekeurum RISEVEST Website: https://www.risevest.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rise.vest LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/rise-vest HISA Website: https://hisa.co Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hisaapp AFROPOLITAN Twitter/X: https://x.com/afropolitan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/afropolitanpodcast Newsletter: https://www.afropolitan.io/newsletter Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/Afropolitanpodcast TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Owning a piece of Dangote 1:23 Quick one: subscribe to the family 1:40 Where should I put my money in Nigeria? 2:19 Start with the stock market 3:35 Real estate in Lagos and the liquidity trap 4:23 The small businesses nobody is funding yet 5:33 Robinhood, Hisa and democratizing access 6:56 Own things that go up in value 7:45 Our parents did it the broker way 9:17 Why we made this episode 9:50 What the refinery really represents 10:46 Why refineries print money through byproducts 11:42 Getting the shares before the open market 12:16 A $50B valuation next to the whole NGX 12:37 Stop anchoring to the past 14:53 Why it could be worth $80 to $100B in 10 years 15:49 The 4 or 5 stocks you can't go wrong buying 16:40 50/50 diaspora signups since relaunch 17:54 Dividends in dollars and currency risk 19:15 Follow Chika and Eche on Snapchat 19:55 The Room on Patreon 20:47 Sponsor: Zobo Money 21:35 Sponsor: Hisa 22:39 A rocket, two chopsticks, and a fact 23:54 Story vs numbers in the internet era 25:45 His reservations about Dangote and the system 27:03 The $20B in remittances that just gets consumed 31:01 Money you consume is gone 31:55 What private placements actually are 33:47 Don't chase the IPO, own the business 35:50 India and Kenya as diaspora playbooks 38:35 A stock market built by colonial masters 41:45 The 7-Eleven that doesn't exist in Nigeria 43:40 Wounded by paperwork at the exchange 46:29 600K accounts in a country of 200 million 48:43 Betting everything on convenience 50:26 The real risks: crude supply and the debt 51:47 The crude supply risk nobody talks about 52:50 How to prepare for the September IPO 56:18 Can you become a millionaire off Nigerian stocks? 1:00:53 Proof homegrown capital can build Nigeria 1:02:57 $1M per megawatt: the power plant nobody built 1:04:10 Rapid fire 1:06:19 Give your money a worldview 1:08:16 Who should be in this chair next
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